A text from Father Matthew Williams has been made public in which he blames psychiatric medication for his sexual crimes. He states the problem began in 2012, which begs the question: To what does he attribute the cause of his sexual crimes which occurred before that year? Was it a vitamin deficiency, perhaps? Read Rape and the Holy Man.
True confession and repentance is a vital part of redemption. Anything less is deception and fraud. Are you listening, ROCOR?
What a pile of garbage babling and excyuses from "Matt"!
ReplyDeleteThe devil made me do it. An oldie but goodie.
ReplyDeleteA fine example of spiritual abuse over his wife. Decades of "forgiveness is the path forward and I promise my undying love for you and our children." Makes me sick.
ReplyDelete"barely succumbed"? He has sexual proclivities towards his own children and wants mercy for "barely succumbing" to his sick passions? All the while his confessor bishop/Metropolitan know of this and allow him to stay AND tell the wife and children to forgive and keep quiet? And the wife and children are conditioned all these years by this "highly respected" priest and the hierarchs to bear these offenses as Christ suffered the Cross, and suffer for the good of the Church to keep a priest who was helping so many ? The church hierarchy is sick. It needs to understand that this is WRONG ALWAYS WRONG.
ReplyDeleteNice inoculation strategy there.
DeleteDoes Elizabeth not have a brain of her own? Is this not all grounds for divorce? Sexual impropriety, physical violence, abuse? You can only blame other people so much for your own situation.
ReplyDeleteTruly spoken like someone who's never encountered BWS.
DeleteAnd yet another dismissal and name calling, this is not a way to form a coherent defense. The name calling and character attacks mean nothing when applied to an anonymous format. Deflecting with questions of your own that don’t relate to the topic only shows for the defenses lack of knowledge and information.
DeleteAnswer the question. BWS women are still subject to the law.
I don't know what you want. Maybe you should tell Elizabeth that you hate her yourself.
DeleteDo the people who claim FMW spiritually abused them not have brains of their own? Why didn't they report that he was inappropriate? Why didn't they leave?
DeleteNot an answer. If people are not ready to properly state their case either for or against the matter in a way that is not clouded by their emotional ties to the family then maybe take a step back.
DeleteThere’s not hate involved here, this is merely a call for accountability for people’s action.
German Soldiers were also just following orders during World War Two. You think some of them had opposite ideas to what they were doing? They also believed that because they “were doing what they were told to do” by superiors that would absolve them of their crimes.
Spoiler alert: they were all convicted because God gave them free will and they used it to commit those crimes anyway.
I have no ties to the family, I'm curious about why it seems that some commenters believe Elizabeth had full agency but the adults under his spiritual abuse were victims. They willingly submitted to FMW's abuse, too. Were they too stupid to know better? Is it something else?
DeleteI want a clear answer on why Elizabeth isn't considered a victim of his.
Victims may exhibit a range of behaviors, including self-isolation, suicidal thoughts, and substance abuse, and signs of physical injury or illness, such as bruises, broken bones, or chronic fatigue.
DeleteNot once has she shown any signs of the symptoms. We are only seeing here her means to manipulate the church in her favor.
People have already gotten individual texts to get people to follow her to leave St. Tikhon and follow here to another church.
This is not the actions of a victim, these are actions of someone losing control and grasping at any attempt to maintain some type of power structures.
Post proof of those texts telling people to leave the church, otherwise it's just more rumors.
DeleteThen dismiss the argument, don’t be hurt because they didn’t call you to follow.
DeleteYou might not have seen symptoms of her victimhood but many close to her have. For a long time.
DeleteI'm asking for proof of your claims. Otherwise you're just spreading more rumors.
DeleteWhich claim would you like? The phone calls? Or the general actions of her circle? You know very well that this format has no way of a commenter posting texts and voice calls.
Delete"People have already gotten individual texts to get people to follow her to leave St. Tikhon and follow here to another church."
DeleteProof, or this didn't happen and you are just spreading rumours.
"Which claim would you like? The phone calls? Or the general actions of her circle? You know very well that this format has no way of a commenter posting texts and voice calls."
DeleteI'm sure the dear JTO editor would love to publish hard proof of Elizabeth and her crew doing what you claim. Produce evidence, or be quiet.
“I’m just following orders.” That argument holds up real well historically.
ReplyDeletePretty sure the cps, DSS, and legal experts will determine all that. This is their specialty.
ReplyDeleteChildren are the most susceptible to coaching. Very ignorant argument seeing as to how the defense has adopted BWS.
DeleteThe people who were spiritually abused by Matthew weren’t married to him for almost 40 years and knew his personality traits. They trusted him as a spiritual father and weren’t aware what a twisted man he is.
ReplyDelete40 years, eh? So Fr. Matthew was married at the age of 8?
DeleteYes a number mistake is what we’re going to focus on. Deflection.
DeleteIt speaks loudly to your general ignorance. If you don't know anything, why are you claiming to know things?
DeleteYikes. Another character attack. There is no claim to know anything. Mind the ? At the end of every question. How about addressing the whole of the original post here instead of attacking character.
DeleteThe attacks on character speak louder of yours.
This is how a classic Narcissistic personality behaves. We have all been played by the Williams clan, just puppets in their game. Now we know, now everyone knows what they are, what they all have done and we need to just need to stop feeding the Narc crave. They thrive in chaos.
DeleteJust pray for them and let the bishop defrock him. She and her adult children should sell and leave... The damage they have caused will not be fixed with them here.
Children are the most susceptible to coaching. Very ignorant argument seeing as to how the defense has adopted BWS.
ReplyDeletePlease tell me what kind of Mother has a man molest her daughters, steal a hand gun, and kidnap a child and does not contact law enforcement. Please I want one parent here to tell me that if your husband did this and you were in the process of divorce that you would call his Boss. Please! Tell me that you would not call the cops at once. She is responsible for him abusing many she knew he was dangerous and warned no one.
ReplyDeleteThis is exactly how many of us feel but are being told we are wrong, that she did everything she should have. Betrayal by all.
DeleteYou are not wrong. This is exactly why all of them should just go heal somewhere else. I am sure whom ever is handling these releases think that they are gaining public sympathy for her , but it is doing the opposite. It is clear to me that she let this man run unchecked and many many were put in harms way because she tried to protect what exactly?
DeleteAsk your hierarchy why they allowed it.
DeleteWe are also asking those questions. But The Williams family has brought this up for debate, not the Hierarchy so we are responding to her accountability and what she did or didn't do in her forum of choice. She is putting this out there for public consumption. she is the one who is trying to justify letting a crazed man run thru this flock and warned no one. The Hierarchy is responding where we ask, in private. And their response isn't for public consumption.
DeleteClearly the hierarchy sees no problem with lying when it protects them.
DeleteSure the Hierarchy should be held accountable but who was closest to him and basically the first line of defense? Who did not contact law enforcement after such horrible antics such as kidnapping and stealing firearms ensued?
DeleteThis is really interesting. The priest in a parish is abusive to his family, and minorly to some parishioners. Upon his departure, a contingent forms, bound together by pure hatred... for the family, not the priest.
ReplyDeleteThese people are abusers themselves, and—given the chance—would have helped Fr. Matthew in his abuse. They obviously share his desire for control and shaming.
This is not normal behavior. It would be reasonable to be upset about aspects of the timeline, but the sudden leap to "Elizabeth assisted him" is disgusting, and you're telling on yourselves and your sick fantasies. Get some help.
It seems there is a misunderstanding about the intent behind these discussions. To be absolutely clear, no one here is defending or excusing Fr. Matthew in any way. His actions were wrong and inexcusable. The concern being raised is about how Elizabeth handled the current and past situation, specifically, her delay in reporting and her apparent complicity in covering Carole’s allegations.
DeletePointing out failures in handling abuse does not equal hatred for the victim. It is entirely possible to both condemn the abuser and hold others accountable for actions (or inactions) that may have enabled harm to continue.
This is not about ‘control’ or ‘shaming’, it’s about ensuring that abuse is handled properly so that future victims are protected. Abuse thrives in environments where people look the other way, and we must be willing to examine all failures, not just the abuser’s.
If there are factual errors in the concerns raised, we welcome clarification. But dismissing these concerns as ‘sick fantasies’ avoids an important conversation about accountability and protecting victims.
You can say what you like, but the complete focus on his family reveals the truth. Some people enjoy rousing rabble, and with the perpetrator gone, they need a target for their ire. This is simple systems thinking, and it's certainly hard to see from within the situation. I would recommend taking a long hard think about who you're really mad at, and then act accordingly.
DeleteWe appreciate your perspective, but I’d encourage you to reconsider what’s actually being said here. No one is shifting the blame away from Fr. Matthew. He is entirely responsible for his own actions. However, when someone in Elizabeth’s position enables or delays justice, that is also a problem worth addressing.
DeleteAccountability is not about finding a new target for ‘ire”, it’s about ensuring that all failures in handling abuse are recognized, so the same mistakes are not repeated in the future. Pointing out deficiencies in Elizabeth’s response is not the same as blaming her for her husband’s actions.
If you believe this focus is misplaced, I’d genuinely be interested in hearing why you think Elizabeth’s handling of the situation shouldn’t be examined. But dismissing concerns as ‘rabble-rousing’ does not actually address the questions being raised.
"The priest in a parish is abusive to his family, and minorly to some"
Deletewhom ever posted this I would truly like to know how a priest can MINORLY abuse someone.
Forgive me if this came across as dismissive. My understanding is that his abuse towards parishioners was entirely verbal, and he didn't do anything physical to them. If this is incorrect, you have my sincerest apologies. I can see how the use of "minor" would be hurtful.
DeleteI am just very frustrated with the dismissive attitude of the Elizabeth supporters. This I was obeying my spiritual Father line she has been using is played to justify not involving law enforcement when he was stealing a gun kidnapping kids.
DeleteWhy didn't she "obey" her spiritual Father and go to her family's place in MO. And heal. Because she had another goal.
With how personal this seems to be for you, may I ask if you are a victim as well? If so, I would ask why you didn't contact law enforcement or just leave. As people who have been abused know, it's never that simple. Judging victims for taking action "too late" simply discourages other victims from coming forward. We must all be careful and delicate when dealing with complicated situations, and even if a victim did not speak out soon enough, that is not an urgent problem.
DeleteIf, God forbid, there are more victims, I don't think they would want to come forward after seeing a fellow sufferer being treated like this.
Those who needed to know what happened to me personally have been told. My statement was given in front of the Gospel and Cross, and is being processed. I am putting this in God's hands. Those who want to know what he did to me and what has happened since this all came to light are welcome to call me. But a stranger in another country doesn't need access to my personal hell. I am not putting details out there to be ripped apart by people who don't know me or care about me. So no I will not release my statement...
DeleteElizabeth however has done just that. She has it out there to justify her behavior and the behavior of her for lack of a better word followers.
So you didn't contact law enforcement, and you were abused? Why should the same attacks not be leveled at you?
DeleteShe wasn’t married to him for more than a decade. Had no idea who he really was. Didn’t live with his behaviors and wasn’t aware of his sicknesses. Didnt cover up for his past offenses.
DeleteYou do understand not all abuse is criminal in the church setting.
DeleteShe aided in his image of being a “saintly priest” all while knowing what a scoundrel he was. Her inactions suggest she was protecting her families reputation over exposing his misdeeds. This cannot be compared to an unsuspecting parishioner who came to him for spiritual guidance. Elizabeth failed to protect others.
DeleteExactly. She was in a position of authority and power, she just failed to protect this flock from a wolf. It is just that simple. You can spin it how ever you want, she was abused as well, but some members of the family were also very much aware, were included in every meltdow, Father Mathew had, and said nothing... Please don't tell me you actually believe that his adult daughter's husband was intimidated by Mathew. We all know that isn't true.
DeleteI don't think you need to know someone is an abuser to not submit to their abuse. If you are an adult, and you were being spiritually abused, why didn't you report FWM immediately? Why did you let it continue and only speak out when it was convenient? Did you not realize you were being abused? Is it such a stretch to imagine that a woman with no job, 10 kids, and little work experience might be afraid to come forward.
DeleteIt's not a secret that FWM was a control freak. Some parishioners claim he wouldn't let them speak to their previous spiritual fathers and would call them to bake bread at all hours of the night. Adults. These are adults for whom FMW was not the sole provider for.
Why did they submit to his direction? Again, you don't have to know that an abuser is an abuser to recognize abuse.
It's weird you don't extend the same grace to Elizabeth that you reserve for yourself.
Have you been I the residency of this parish? It tells me all I need to know about how these people live. No sympathy at all for the behavior of this prideful, spiteful, group of people who wallow in filth.
DeleteTruly the church was in shambles on many planes! “For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?”
DeleteI don't think you need to know someone is an abuser to not submit to their abuse. If you are an adult, and you were being spiritually abused, why didn't you report FWM immediately? Why did you let it continue and only speak out when it was convenient? Did you not realize you were being abused? Is it such a stretch to imagine that a woman with no job, 10 kids, and little work experience might be afraid to come forward.
ReplyDeleteIt's not a secret that FWM was a control freak. Some parishioners claim he wouldn't let them speak to their previous spiritual fathers and would call them to bake bread at all hours of the night. Adults. These are adults for whom FMW was not the sole provider for.
Why did they submit to his direction? Again, you don't have to know that an abuser is an abuser to recognize abuse.
It's weird you don't extend the same grace to Elizabeth that you reserve for yourself.
And BTW this is a prime example of what they are doing. I didn't put my story out there for a reason, because now a flying monkey is dropping little tid bits of things that happened to me on order to shame me, destroy my character, and break me spiritually, Knowing full good and well I am very ill and about to have surgery. So yes the Williams clan is doing this right now. Sound familiar. Believe every word Carol says... I am living her nightmare real time!
DeleteIt’s weird if you “have no ties to the family” yet are staunchly defending them without answering any questions people have about how this was handled on her end.
Delete"It’s weird if you “have no ties to the family” yet are staunchly defending them without answering any questions people have about how this was handled on her end."
DeleteI'm the "no ties to the family" commenter. I haven't made any other comments, so you might be confusing multiple commenter's for one.
A good majority of the parish are converts, all I hear is that word in a condescending tone that I’ve heard so often, so this abuse to them was probably thought to have been a norm seeing as to how ROCOR was told to be a much more strict and unbending. Many of the parishioners who moved to St Peter moved there to get away from FMW. Their complaints were not headed and caused them to leave St Tikhon.
DeleteYes people have complained, no they were not listened too, if I have to bring up the family that St Tikhon has ostracized so quickly during the revelation again, it will only prove the point of people not being listened because we are the proverbial ants to their boot.
Elizabeth knew of his nature, knew of his prior actions, knew of his history. For 10 year or more, her knowledge of this holds so much more weight.
Once again, deflection from the question of why didn’t she, the one closest to him, the one who knew, say anything about it…
10 kids? How many are adults and capable or providing for themselves? Stop trying to ply public sympathy for someone who knew this man was unwell.
DeleteI really think attacking someone you know to be a victim of Mathew's repeated spiritual abuse says all we need to know surrounding the character of those who would attack JWF! Everyone has every right to be upset and take offense to Elizabeth's and her adult children's and their spouses letting a dangerous man run this church. That is the issue. Why didn't any of them tell anyone. Just admit you are wrong, apologize and do better.... and stop trying to be a part of a place that clearly wants and needs you all Gone!!
DeleteI am not going to do this. If you know who I am and want to discuss this you are aware of where I am every single day. Do not try to bait me. And These are my initials anyone who knows me knows that. Getting my phone number shouldn't be a problem.
ReplyDeleteThey are victim blaming and turning it around on you. It’s a way to deflect their own actions.
DeleteAs for the “sole provider” argument, pretty sure they have money. You’re not answering any questions just falling back on a tactic they are overusing-deflection.
ReplyDeleteAccording to whom? The family is broke. This is ridiculous.
DeleteAnother lie...
DeleteJWF,
DeletePlease elaborate on how you know the family is well off. I understand there is a veneer and appearance that they would like to portray. But the truth is that, yes they are well off monetarily.
This is absolutely false. Elizabeth has absolutely nothing. Unless he hid money away from her... But she has nothing.
DeleteYou're right. She doesn't but she will not go without. She has access.
DeleteJWF what? Access? To welfare? What are you implying? If he goes to jail there will be nothing coming from him. Where is he anyway? What kind of holy man is this, leaving the woman he abused and manipulated and his abused children with nothing. What did he do with his salary? Hopefully lawyers can find out.
ReplyDeleteSo he is still getting paid by the church? Even after he “resigned”?
DeleteIs that why Elizabeth didn’t want him to go to jail? Money?
DeletePlease do not think for one minute that she or the children are going without. Her Family will provide. She and the children will be okay financially.
DeleteJWF
DeleteI am not the person you are talking to currently but implying and keeping things vague will only serve to divide. I am also with you on keeping Elizabeth accountable for her actions but we cannot keep information as vague and discreet.
As to what JWF alluding to.
It is commonly known among the church from the Williams themselves that Elizabeth’s family comes from money. Her father was lobbyist in Washington DC. Couple it with the fact that Matthew, IF believed ironic to the situation, has made boasts about his past life making about 200k a year with his high tech job. And then there’s also the fact that they often like to boast also about how Matthew made a vast amount of money that job. They have resources to pull from.
However, on a priests salary alone, it is almost impossible to feed 10 children, an entire flock of sheep, and run a dog farm on it. Pair that with the costs of their equipment that they use for a farm, it doesn’t equal out.
They have resources and her children won’t go hungry.
You are speaking out of your rear.
DeleteJWF you frankly have no idea what you're talking about. I am sorry you were abused by Matthew Williams. Truly I am. He and the clergy deserve to be raked through it and I hope they do not get away with this so no one is ever hurt by them again. But you are really crossing lines and ascribing all sorts of things to the situation that are untrue. Victims in other high profile cases are still coming out of the woodwork DECADES AFTER THE ABUSE because it takes time to understand what happened to you, undo the mindgames and manipulation and fear and shame and everything else, process it, learn what to do, and be strong enough to deal with the (horrible) outcomes and blame she and her children will face now forever. As a person who suffered from partner abuse, I can attest to this. She probably hasn't handled everything perfectly, as few women in messed up controlling abusive relationships do. If the law finds her responsible, so be it. But she too, like you, is hurting. Since he evidently confessed his sins openly to his bishop, and the bishop just let it go each time, I imagine she didn't think anyone would care about her problem or her kids...since the bishop and metropolitan didn't care enough to stop him. They just protected their beloved priest and let him go on serving. Until she insisted he had to go.
ReplyDeleteIf u would like to discuss this in private call me, but you have no clue what happened to me, how it happened or when it happened. So to claim I have no idea what happened is just ignorance of the situation.
DeleteNo, you can be called out in public. Everyone knows who you are and what you went through.
DeleteWe can agree and absolutely understand and respect the challenges victims face in processing and addressing abuse. However, many of us take issue with the suggestion that Elizabeth “hasn’t handled everything perfectly” as a way to minimize her role in this situation. When someone has knowledge of abuse, especially against HER OWN children and fails to report it to law enforcement in a “timely and persistent” manner, they are not merely “imperfect”; they are complicit in allowing harm to continue. Choosing to confine these issues within the Church hierarchy, particularly when prior confessions had already been ignored, was not just a mistake but a critical failure of her duty as both a parent and a citizen. This isn’t about vilifying her but about recognizing that complicity in abuse can take the form of silence and inaction. This rings true as she knew for years of his inappropriate behavior and allowed him to continue. With the past situation of Carole’s daughter, all this shows is a pattern of inaction and active silencing. Now you all are attempting to do the same to anyone that has questions about the gaps in Elizabeth’s role. .
DeleteIs that why she doesn’t want him in jail? So he can continue providing for them?
DeleteDid it not occur to you that the victims are potentially young adults, discussing this and trying to decide how much they wanted to be the center of scandal, and she gave them opportunity to come to terms with and make their own reports as the law requires? Did it occur to you maybe she was respectful of their trauma and not wanting to force them but give them opportunity to not be further betrayed yet counsel them to come forward? Did it not occur to you how difficult it would be as a child to report your own father and face ruin of their own church? Did you not think this was absolutely horrifying and tragic ?Did it not occur this takes some time for multiple victims to deal with and her love for her children was to allow them to gather strength to face all this? Have a shred of decency and compassion.
DeleteYes let’s just allow children to decide, because not all the victims are adults now.
DeleteHey kids, your father has been physically violent and mentally abusive to me for years. He has hurt many of you, kidnapped your baby sister, stole guns, and has past allegations of rape, but you know what, it’s your choice now to further any prosecutions. We can’t have any scandal now so do the right thing.
DeleteMy understanding is Carole did not take into account her child's wishes and forced the issue, resulting in the child cutting off relationship and not wanting to come forward herself about whatever occurred. What a sorrow for both Carole and her daughter. I understand why she did this. But I think Elizabeth chose a path that ultimately led to the children being comfortable sharing and reporting what was required. Some things require a time to process and as I understand it, adult children have to make their own reports. They were most comfortable sharing it with the hierarchs and didn't want to go to police but when the hierarchs failed to make the reports they were mandated to make, the children knew they had to face doing it themselves.
DeleteHe squandered all the money he made or I've heard gave to charity. Who knows what he did with it, but there is nothing, less than nothing And you cannot possibly know her elderly father's finances or whether he should/would/could support his nearly 50 yo daughter or pay to raise all the children Matthew sired. Why would he want to? This is Matthew's responsibility.
ReplyDeleteNo one is saying it isn't his responsibility. What we are saying is to pretend that the children are suffering in some way because she has no money is just ridiculous
DeleteWow! U really want us to believe that with the adult siblings, their spouse's, her extended family that Elizabeth's minor children are in some way suffering the effects of lack of money. For real, ... Gaslighting by another Flying Monkey
DeleteWonder if we will be seeing a fundraiser in the future
DeleteIf he ends up in jail it’s her responsibility, like many other women in America whose spouses are incarcerated. They are not immune to U.S. law.
DeleteI'm not calling into question what or how you suffered. Just your insisting that you know things about her that you clearly don't. You are piecing together hearsay and tidbits and making wrong assumptions and accusations. She should be held accountable if she's done anything wrong. Everyone agrees that all parties should be held accountable for their part, large or small. Let the courts and police do their job.
ReplyDeleteWhat can I say, I know you are absolutely correct, responding feeds a Narcissistic personality, I am broken no doubt, Forgive me.
DeleteI do not think that JWF is making any assumptions or putting pieces together at all. If you have heard her story you would understand. What JWF needs to do is disconnect from all of this, she needs to rest and prepare. She needs your prayers.
DeleteWhat does Elizabeth think of Carole’s claims now that it has happened under her own roof? Is Carole still just a “rabble rouser?”
ReplyDeleteShe told me that whole thing was just a lie, there was no rape, and the Mother was crazy. This was less than a month ago .
DeleteInteresting.
DeleteAnon at 9:34
DeleteThank you for displaying a clear example of what Elizabeth is telling her circle about Carole Stephens.
I have personally witnessed her and her inter-circles do this exact same thing to at least 4 current members of the parish. Name calling, attacks on character, just like she did to Carole.
DeleteAnon at 8:49
DeleteThis is an absolute example to what is happening at church. People are coming forward and speaking about Snakes in the garden and in comes someone to deflect with a Name Drop.
So is Elizabeth validating Carole’s struggle with trying to protect her child? The victims are not all adults, there are underage children involved and Elizabeth is responsible for them.
ReplyDeleteI am reading along and I really think that they may be trying to say that Elizabeth and her daughters are absolutely victims of abuse. They are saying that Elizabeth, and her adult daughter's husband failed to protect this flock. I mean she should have called law enforcement when he stole a gun was not sleeping, clearly having a mental crisis, putting others in harms way. She is just held to a higher standard than others. When he was clearly dangerous she just failed to protect, her son-in-law failed to protect the people under their care. She doesn't think she did anything wrong and has yet to apologize to anyone, she has also told many that the spiritual abuse is a lie, and he was a wonderful Priest.
DeleteIt isn't that we do not know she has suffered, she must understand that she and those who enabled him knowing his mental state must be held accountable
Mancuso is covering up abuse at the Charlotte and Winston Salem parishes as well. The priests in this deanery are all in a clique and all very mentally unwell, with one exception. It's run like a business.
ReplyDeleteMore information, please. What exactly is being covered up at those parishes?
DeleteJust more deflection.
DeleteWhose the one exception? I'd love to know.
DeleteCan you provide the name of the one exception, because I am feeling so lost rn and desperately need to talk to a priest I can trust?
DeleteSo they have fairly decent evidence of admission and never went to the cops?
ReplyDeleteThey had no intentions of ever telling anyone.
DeleteThis seems plausible. Hide him away in Jordanville and not involve the cops and feed everyone a story about his mental health retreat being extended.
DeleteAggravated Kidnapping (TCA § 39-13-304)
Delete• Class B felony
• Involves kidnapping with a weapon, intent to inflict injury, or for ransom/use as a shield/hostage.
3. Especially Aggravated Kidnapping (TCA § 39-13-305)
• Class A felony (most serious)
• If the victim is under 13, suffers serious injury, or the defendant had a deadly weapon
Penalties
• Class C Felony → 3-15 years in prison
• Class B Felony → 8-30 years
• Class A Felony → 15-60 years
Let the cops do their job, but no cops were called.
Maybe the police are reading this blog and that other one that just got published. Frankly, this is a circus unlike any I’ve ever heard about. Utter circus and shameful.
ReplyDeleteThey love the chaos! Dragging out removing their personal items from our church so they can stay connected and destroy what ever is left. Prideful... Dangerous and so not Orthodox. Shameful display of Pride.
DeleteAnon @2:28 consider that their personal items have been in use in the rectory by two families displaced by the hurricanes. Those families have only recently left.
ReplyDeleteWhat that anon is referring to is the fact that an older couple had to move back to their hurricane destroyed camper because of the Williams trying to recover some items that were theirs, in the room the older couple was using.
DeleteWhat was left was described as a ransack and robbery of a scene that the older couple had to come back to. A good natured family does not do this to the people that are in need of shelter, at the very least they would have put everything back the way it was after getting their items not leave it in another figurative hurricane of a mess.
And what was wrong with just requesting for them to bring said items?
The truth is that the older couple disagreed with the Williams’ handling of this mess.
How could this be seen as anything but retaliation for not towing their line.
@anon 2:44
DeleteTry again. The elderly couple moved into a donated camper, not a hurricane destroyed one. They were also excited to get back to their property, not forced there.
Stop making stories up.
So the room they were staying was destroyed before or after the fact of them moving out?
DeleteThe silence speaks volumes
DeleteThat absolutely happened. Someone went in their room and took stuff that did belong to the Williams Family, no doubt, but to Sneek in their room ransack their belongings while they were out if town is discussing and no they were not forced to leave...but the space heater that was needed in that room was also taken with out telling them. Rude, unkind unchristian, behavior displayed by our beloved Matushka... Please spare me!
DeleteAnonymous 3:04 PM
ReplyDeleteNo, I just work for a living and don't constantly refresh the page looking for people to argue with.
You're either mistaken enough about the facts, or embellishing enough that I don't see reason to continue the conversation with you.
Aaaand the question isn’t answered
DeleteAnd it never will be, because This group of people are going to deflect from answering any questions that paint themselves an anything other than a Victim. They will not now nor will they ever admit they let a crazy man abuse many.
DeleteI find this a bit confusing. He states that the temptations started when he ran out of medication, so why does he think the meds caused it? Sometimes if you go off of psychiatric meds that are working, and start again later, they don't work as well or at all. I don't think the devil had anything to do with it.
ReplyDeleteLook he suffers from Mental Illness, he is also has Narcissistic personality disorder. You can tell when these types are lying.... because their lips are moving and they are speaking. Mathew Williams is a sick twisted predator and belongs in prison. But we all know that will never happen. At this point the best thing that could happen is for Elizabeth to take her family, move away and start over. Her credibility is shot she let a child predator run that church... We all know now and their presence is delaying any healing. Just move on!
DeletePriests serve at the pleasure of the bishop, not their wives.
ReplyDeleteAh ok so when an officer of the law sees their partner committing police brutality, they shouldn’t say something about and just let their boss ,who isn’t around to immediately correct the actions, do it instead.
DeleteFor evil to win, good people have to do nothing. And Elizabeth did nothing, that is until she was forced to.
After reading the latest post of this site, sounds like there’s plenty of blame to go around. Not just the wife, who I’m guessing is victimized just by being his wife of years and years. Not so easy to believe the worst about someone who you love and claims to love you back and claims to love the children you’ve both brought into the world. I wouldn’t want to be her……a lot kids still at home and now a single mother.
DeleteYou are aware She was aware of the abuse in 2019, before her eldest daughter ran off and married "the source" in the latest JTO post. The Woman has known for 6 years that he was molesting his daughters. My God that is just sick.
DeleteYes, sick and twisted. AKA, a cult.
DeleteAnd now thr flying monkeys are on the attack of anyone who opposes their view. Pure evil exists in that family. May God have Mercy on all who have been victims of this mob.
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