The “Pied Piper” & The Trinity? Follow Scripture, Not The Tune

David Lopez

Humans don’t exist before they exist.

Jesus is truly human (“the man Christ Jesus,” 1 Tim 2:5).

Therefore, Jesus did not pre-exist his human beginning; he began at conception.

1 John confronts those denying Jesus’ real humanity: that he came in the flesh (1 John 4:2).

The Pied Piper story' shows that attractive music can lead crowds away. Likewise, the Trinity Myth is a monstrous destructive doctrine absent from the Bible, systematized centuries later and which draws many with a tune not taught by Jesus or his apostles.

Scripture’s refrain is simple: “The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” (Deut 6:4)

Test every doctrine (Acts 17:11): beware the music of the Trinitarian Pied Piper, it will lead you astray! Ask yourself this question: If it isn’t plainly taught by Jesus or his apostles, why follow the Piper?

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"Watching church on a livestream is like watching a fireplace on TV. You can see everything with no warmth. 'Do not forsake the assembly of yourselves together ... Where two or more are gathered in my name there will I be also.' " Charlie Kirk

 

DID JESUS SET HIMSELF AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND?

Non Trinitarian

- - - Ephesians 1:17 The God of our Lord Jesus Christ… :20 … raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places.

Trinitarianism insists that Jesus is God, and that he raised himself from the dead. But this would mean:

- 1 - That Jesus is his own God, and

- 2 - That Jesus placed himself at his own right hand.

I don’t know about you, but it seems clear to me that neither of these ideas makes any sense.

The Holy Spirit Is An "IT" Not A He

Steven Blake

THE “THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY” CANNOT BE GOD, BECAUSE...

- - Only The Father Knows

Jesus said it himself: only the Father knows when he will return (Matthew 24:36). If the Holy Spirit were a third coequal member of a triune godhead, it would know too—but it doesn’t - only the Father knows.

- - It Does Not Speak Its Own Words

John 16:13 says the Spirit “will not speak on its own authority, but whatever it hears it will speak.”That’s a far cry from God - who speaks by His own authority, and is never told what to say by someone else.

- - “It” - Not “He”

Scripture often calls the Spirit “it”, because it is not a person:

Numbers 11:25: “And the LORD took of the Spirit that was upon Moses, and gave IT unto the seventy elders...”

Romans 8:16: “The Spirit IT-self beareth witness with our spirit…”

- - - - - God is always a “He”, never an “It”.

- We Have No Fellowship With It

“Our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son” – 1 John 1:3

While some trinitarians cite 2 Cor.13:14 - “…the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all”, note that this speaks about the fellowship OF the Spirit, not WITH the spirit. It refers to fellowship among Christians engendered by God’s spirit IN them, not fellowship withGod's Spirit itself.

“Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ” – Romans 1:7

“There is but one God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ” – 1 Corinthians 8:6

- - - If the Spirit is a coequal person of God, why is it missing from nearly every list alongside the Father and the Son?

BOTTOM LINE

The Holy Spirit is God’s power, His presence, His messenger—but never a coequal third person within God’s being

Even This Atheist Understands Scripture - Jesus Did Not Claim To Be God

"You believe that there is one God. You do well! Even the demons believe this—and tremble in fear." James 2:19

Note: The atheist errs once in lumping the Christ in with other religious figures who wanted to attain godhood. This is a single statement of admitted conjecture and not included in his exposition of the scripture regarding the nature of Jesus and the fact that he never claimed to be God. This atheist is not far from the Kingdom. Are you?

Note 2: For those who may have concern that JTO is posting the words of an atheist, remember this: Absolute truth is absolute truth no matter what the source of dissemination. The travesty is in the fact that Trinitarians have less truth regarding this matter than does this atheist.

Ancient Video Of Emperor Constantine Discovered!

This ancient, well-preserved video was recently discovered in a hidden room in Constantinople. It shows the Emperor Constantine trying to convince an uncooperative bishop that there are five lights rather than four. Soon after this, the emperor and his supporters used the same tactics to push through the innovative Trinity doctrine which said that God was three persons and not one. Those who continued to see only one person were summarily isolated or murdered. A little-known fact is that Constantine, who ironically was baptized by a "one person" bishop, proclaimed a "Homoousios Day" throughout the realm. The holiday didn't catch on but the pagan/Roman doctrine of the Trinity with the equation, 1+1+1= 1, did.

How many lights do you see?

Challenging The Crickets To Chirp!

It seems there were thousands of JTO readers posting comments around the sexual crimes of priests and the coverup by the Orthodox hierarchy. The JTO Admin even weathered a hacker who swamped JTO with hundreds of fake comments which came in waves. One hacker even posed as the JTO Editor to comment. So much interest - both sincere and nefarious!

JTO has been challenging readers to look at the origins and scriptural validity of the Trinity Doctrine. JTO has provided many proof texts and references in numerous posts for discussion. ...and the response? 

CRICKETS! 

With the exception of one who said I was a dishonest snake oil salesman. Not really a sound doctrinal argument for the Trinity.

The Trinity doctrine was a late innovation to the church. It was not taught or believed in the first three centuries of the church... so why would you believe it?

Yeshua said:

And this is life in the age to come, that they know you, the only true God, AND Jesus Christ whom you have sent. John 17:3

“the only true God.” This is similar to John 5:44 and is one of the many places that give good evidence that Jesus Christ is not God. When Jesus prayed and called God “the only true God,” he was simply acknowledging a truth that was clearly stated in the Old Testament: For example, Nehemiah 9:6-7 says, “You are Yahweh, even you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens with all their army, the earth and all things that are on it, the seas and all that is in them, and you preserve them all. The army of heaven worships you. You are Yahweh, the God who chose Abram” (cf. Ps. 86:10; Isa. 37:16; 43:11; 45:5). Yahweh is the Father and “the God,” the “only true God” that Jesus recognized and prayed to. The Trinity, the doctrine that “God” is both three and one at the same time is mysterious, incomprehensible, and unbiblical. It is never described in the Bible and attempts to come close to explaining it have to use language that is not in the Bible. For example, that Jesus is said to be both “100% human and 100% God” is both unbiblical and self-contradictory. Also, the Trinity doctrine says there are three “persons” in the one God, but then Trinitarians are quick to state that “persons” does not actually mean “persons” in the ordinary sense, but then they cannot exactly define “person” in the Trinitarian sense. That is because a “person” is an individual, but the “persons” in the Trinity are not individuals in the ordinary sense, but are part of “the one God,” so they are persons but not persons at the same time. Trinitarians say that God is “one what and three whos,” but that is, as stated above, both incomprehensible and unbiblical. When we read the Bible, God always speaks of Himself as one being. He uses “I” and “me” and “my,” and never refers to Himself as an “essence” or “nature.” The same is true of Jesus. John 17:3 is clear, succinct, and understandable: God is “the only true God,” and He “sent” His Son, Jesus Christ, who is a human being (1 Tim. 2:5). [For more information on Jesus not being God in the flesh, see Appendix 6: “Jesus is the Son of God, Not God the Son.” Also, see Appendix 7: “What is the Holy Spirit?”] (REV Commentary)

Trinitarians: How many gods do you see?

In case you are having trouble...

Trinitarian Math:

Since Jesus Is "Worshipped" He must Be God. Right? Right??

Monsy Mathew

In the Bible, Jesus Christ Was Worshipped as the Son of God, Messiah, King of Israel, and Lord Made by Yahweh—not as Yahweh Himself or as Almighty God. Let’s carefully see the context of each passage where Jesus was “worshipped” (proskuneo / shachah). The Bible makes it clear what people confessed when they bowed before Him:

Worshipped as Son of God
• Matthew 14:32–33 (NLT)
“When they climbed back into the boat, the wind stopped. Then the disciples worshiped Him. ‘You really are the Son of God!’ they exclaimed.”
• John 9:35–38 (NLT)
“When Jesus heard what had happened, He found the man and asked, ‘Do you believe in the Son of Man?’ The man answered, ‘Who is He, sir? I want to believe in Him.’ ‘You have seen Him,’ Jesus said, ‘and He is speaking to you!’ ‘Yes, Lord, I believe!’ the man said. And he worshiped Jesus.”
In both cases, Jesus is worshipped as the Son of God and the Son of Man (Messiah), not as Almighty God.

Worshipped as Messiah / Christ
• Matthew 28:8–9 (NLT)
“The women ran quickly from the tomb… And as they went, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they ran to Him, grasped His feet, and worshiped Him.”
The angel had just said in v.7: “He has risen from the dead… He is going ahead of you to Galilee.” 

They worshipped Him as the risen Messiah whom Yahweh raised from the dead.

• Luke 24:51–52 (NLT)
“While He was blessing them, He left them and was taken up to heaven. So they worshiped Him and then returned to Jerusalem filled with great joy.”
Their worship was in recognition of Jesus being exalted as Messiah at Yahweh’s right hand (Psalm 110:1; Acts 2:33–36).

Worshipped as King of Israel
• John 1:49 (NLT)
“Then Nathanael exclaimed, ‘Rabbi, you are the Son of God—the King of Israel!’”
• Matthew 2:11 (NLT)
“They entered the house and saw the child with His mother, Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped Him. Then they opened their treasure chests and gave Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.”
The wise men came seeking, “Where is the newborn King of the Jews?” (Matthew 2:2). They worshipped Him as King of Israel, not as Almighty God.

Worshipped as Lord (made so by Yahweh)
• John 20:28–29 (NLT)
“‘My Lord and my God!’ Thomas exclaimed. Then Jesus told him, ‘You believe because you have seen Me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing Me.’”
But just before this, Jesus had said:
“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” (John 20:17 NLT)
So Thomas recognized Jesus as his Lord (Adoni, exalted Master), because Yahweh had made Him Lord and Messiah.
• Acts 2:36 (NLT)
“So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”
Jesus is Lord (capital L) because Yahweh appointed Him, but He is not LORD (all caps, Yahweh).

Summary:
Every time Jesus was worshipped in the Bible, it was in recognition of His God-given role as:
• the Son of God
• the Messiah (Christ)
• the King of Israel
• the Lord whom Yahweh made

Never once was He worshipped as Yahweh Himself or as Almighty God. True worship (latreia) belongs only to Yahweh our Heavenly Father (John 4:23–24; Matthew 4:10).

Jesus Is Subject to The Father

 

Jesus is the Son of God, not God the Son. The Father is all in all.

How and When was the Trinity Revealed?