Wednesday, March 13, 2019
Monday, February 18, 2019
"do you know that a little leaven leavens the whole loaf?
- to admonish sinners
- to instruct the ignorant
- to counsel the doubtful
- to comfort the sorrowful
- to suffer wrongs patiently
- to forgive injuries
- by counsel (giving advice opposed to the Church and the Holy Scriptures)
- by command (using authority to compel someone to act opposed to the Church and Holy Scripture)
- by consent (giving one permission to act opposed to the Church and Holy Scriptures)
- by provocation (influencing or pressuring someone to sin by your speech or action)
- by praise or flattery (giving warm approval, admiration, and excessive, insincere praise of a person who has sinned, especially to further one's own interests)
- by concealment (hiding another's sin or preventing it from being known)
- by partaking (joining in the sinful act of another)
- by silence (avoiding talking about or mentioned another's sin)
- by defense of the sin committed (the action of defending from or resisting attack. by rebutting or denying that a sin is a sin against the Church and Holy Scripture
"For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person."
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Tuesday, January 29, 2019
Saturday, January 12, 2019
After months of relative quiet, JTO recently received two comments apparently from Christie's wife, Friska Monyka Christie, asking JTO to pray for her husband's soul. Friska apparently also became a regular subscriber to this blog. The JTO editor invited Friska to contact him by email if she wished to speak further with JTO. It was Minas Christie who responded by trying to post a couple of mocking attacks on the JTO Editor in the comment section. He insisted that his wife was just pulling my chain, inferring that Friska was joining him in mocking JTO.
"LOL, she was just pulling your chain you pompous old windbag. Do you really believe she wants to discuss anything with you!"Subsequent to this comment from Christie (not posted), JTO received several other "anonymous" perverse comments on various articles, including links to sex chat rooms and other sordid suggestions, a pattern that fits Christie's prior methods of vile on-line attacks with others.
JTO Editor has withheld the following, previously unpublished, information, but due to Christie's resurgence of activity, JTO will release it here as a warning to all who may have dealings with Minas Michael Christie. Note that Christie's arrest record is the same as previously posted, but the notations on this particular record are cause for greater concern.
Definition of Resisting Officer with Violence
Under Florida Statute 843.01, the crime of Resisting Officer with Violence is committed when a person knowingly and willfully resists, obstructs, or opposes a law enforcement officer by threatening violence or engaging in violent conduct against the law enforcement officer was engaged in the lawful execution of a legal duty.
Wednesday, January 09, 2019
I have been investigating the alleged rape of a 15-year-old-girl by a ROCOR priest. I prepared a full investigative document with new information and evidence. It went through all of the appropriate PRIVATE channels - Priest-Vicar-Metropolitan, only to receive an "already been looked at...nothing to see here" response. The event allegedly happened 14 years ago, but the mother of the girl has been shouting to the high heavens, publicly and privately appealing to anyone, everyone, to listen and bring justice. All the while, she was attacked, maligned, accused, and threatened, particularly by clergy.
Prior to the posting, I sent out a floater-announcement on Facebook saying that the article Rape and the Holy Man, that exposes a sexual crime by a ROCOR priest, was coming. I was immediately assailed, via IM, by a ROCOR priest who objected strongly to the use of social media:
"Don't post that on Social Media! An accusation of sexual misconduct of clergy should always be dealt with in-house, not for all the world to see. If you post it on Social Media, it never turns out well as it allows people not connected with the matter to weigh in, give views, criticize, spread rumors, empower others to come forward with accusations, and only discredits the religious hierarchs. Nothing good ever comes out of it... blah... blah.. blah..."
"Just as television turned a nation of people who listened to media content into watchers of media content in the 1950s to the 1980s, the emergence of social media has created a nation of media content creators. According to 2011 Pew Research data, nearly 80% of American adults are online and nearly 60% of them use social networking sites. More Americans get their news via the Internet than from newspapers or radio, as well as three-fourths who say they get news from e-mail or social media sites updates, according to a report published by CNN. The survey suggests that Facebook and Twitter make news a more participatory experience than before as people share news articles and comment on other people's posts. According to CNN, in 2010 75% of people got their news forwarded through e-mail or social media posts, whereas 37% of people shared a news item via Facebook or Twitter."Here is the exchange between ROCOR priest, Father Samuel Seamans and the JTO editor after the FB floater-announcement and prior to the posting of the article:
JTO Editor: Samuel! I deleted your comments because you are yet uniformed.
Until the article is released it is futile to debate the merits or the methods...especially on FB. The story, Rape and the Holy Man is a journalistic investigation that has been years in the making. Using protocol of our church, I have shared the document with my priest. He shared it with Father xxxx and Father xxxx shared it with our Metropolitan who responded to me in writing. I do not agree that social media is not the place for such to be released, It would depend on how many people have failed to take action and how many years have passed allowing a deacon who allegedly raped a 15-year-old girl, badgered her to keep quiet, and then lied to OUR Metropolitan in order to become a ROCOR priest. I have first hand knowledge of the individuals involved. I had a long talk with Father xxxx. Seems both of you share having been a police officer (my daughter is a cop in xxxx). I would hope that our clergy such as you and he would become part of an investigative team that deals with these issues in our Church. We have failed miserably in this case and we are going to have egg on our face, not because of what I am doing but because of what a criminal priest did, and ROCOR's failure to deal with it in a timely and efficient manner. I know I will take some heat. So be it. I am advocating for the health of our Church, the girl, and her grieving mother. P.S. I serve in the ROCOR xxxx Mission in xxxx and am from xxxx. Pray for me a sinner.
Samuel: Thanks for writing to me. I would love to serve to investigate claims such as this, BUT, I do NOT agree that taking to blogs and Facebook is the best thing for the Church. It will be spread with comments that are inaccurate and will only serve to give those who hate ROCOR more to hate us for. The Hierarchs are responsible to God for this stuff, and no matter how we may claim we are only "shedding sunlight" it will serve Satan more than it will the cause of Christ. We just disagree, that is all. Just because something may be true doesn't mean that social media is the place to hash it out. I hope you have prayed about it as much as you have researched it. Thanks for listening, God bless, Samuel+ (sinner also in need of prayer)
Samuel: There are better ways to advocate for the health of the Church imo, but oh well.
Samuel: I've never seen parading the sins of others, even clergy, help anything very much, in fact, it usually does just the opposite. Have a good one.
JTO Editor: I look forward to hearing from you after the release of the article.Journeytoorthodoxy.blogspot.com
Samuel: I have spoken to your priest and to Fr. xxxx, and you do NOT have their blessing, nor the blessing of our Metropolitan to rlease such an "article". I don't know what your investment in this is, and i don't care if you have spent 5 minutes or 5 years preparing it, your primary focus in the Church is NOT to be a journalist or "movie maker" but to be obedient. IF you release this you are not being obedient to those in authority over you,and just reveal yourself to be a congregationalist at heart. This is NOT the way Nathan.
Samuel: Check your pride, have some humility, and let GOD handle this situation. The Church doesn't need self-styled "Heraldo Rivera's" with "investigative reports" to tend to her business. Please pray about this and what you are doing. Nothing good can come from a "CNN investigative report" on something like this.
Samuel: Talk to your priest!
Samuel: A man can grow a beard to the floor, use a prayer rope, attend Divine Liturgy, and do all other outward actions, but obedience to those in spiritual authority over him tells the true tale........every time.....
JTO Editor: Thanks for your opinion. Please submit future comments to email@example.com
Samuel: No way. I am talking to you directly. I am done my friend. If you go forward it is for your own purposes, so don't delude yourself about "helping the Church". Follow the advice of those that God has placed over you. Peace. Samuel+
Samuel: Really, I am not trying to "hide" a thing, but this is not the proper way. St. Paul would be horrified at "airing in a civil lawsuit" such a thing. I pray you will reconsider. The blogosphere will only serve the purposes of those who hate us, and will convince no serious people who care about the Church. Take care.
Samuel: Whether the event happened or not, without a complainant, it is all "allegations", and this will not serve to help at all. I am so tired of our own launching crusades that only serve to discredit us.
JTO Editor: You said you were done. Go to firstname.lastname@example.org with further communications.
Samuel: Okay, I hear you. I am. May the justice of God prevail.
JTO Editor: Thank you. I look forward to your comments once you read the article.
Samuel: Nope. I will not justify such a thing with my comments. You are convinced. I shall tend to the plank in my own eye.
Chat Conversation End
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1 Corinthians 5 King James Version (KJV)
1 It is reported commonly [as has been done in this case for 14 years] that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. [or a deacon raped a 15-year-old girl, HIS GODDAUGHTER, and afterward was ordained a priest]
2 And ye are puffed up, [that means "pride"] and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. [rather, you are mourning that numerous people are reporting it. Would you attempt to dissuade Saint Paul from writing his letter as I and others have done about this matter? Seems Saint Paul's letter went public also.]
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, [do we pronounce shame on Saint Paul for pronouncing judgment?] as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. [or you can care more about the reputation of ROCOR. The priest's soul be damned]6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? [Paul would be horrified at those who would cover for the sin of one man and not have the health of the whole church in mind.]7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? [or..."What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church. ARE YOU NOT TO JUDGE THOSE INSIDE? God will judge those outside. EXPEL THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOU."]13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
|FR Samuel Seamans|
|LT Samuel Seamans|
Hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
It seems Father Samuel Seamans is also ripe for some proverbial wisdom: "He that answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame unto him." He rebuked me before even reading the article and seeing the evidence. I am seasoned enough to know that as a result of posting the article on social media [which is, in this case, this blog), I will be subject to more of this ignorant knee-jerk diatribe, while such attackers ignore the fact that, WE (allegedly) HAVE A CRIMINAL RAPIST PRIEST IN ROCOR!
It was you, Father Seamans, in a published newspaper article, who said,
"The truth is that since the beginning of time there have been good men and good women who have stood in the path of those who would do evil in our world, even if it would cost them their lives," said Seamans, the Mountain Home police department chaplain."
When it comes to religious Hierarchy who fail repeatedly, over months or years, to ecclesiastically deal with sexual criminal clergy in their ranks, one will have to expect that SOCIAL MEDIA will be the next step. It is a fact of life, no matter how much clergy oppose it. Kinda of hard to run interference when the issue is no longer subject to controllers. The controllers of information are, in essence, enablers to sexual misconduct and Social Media limits their power to hide the sin of their fellow clergy. Too bad if it breaks through their circle of ecclesiastical wagons. Too bad if it makes them feel vulnerable. Too bad if church enemies may use the bad report to attack the church. Rightfully so! If the church is in unrepentant sin, it deserves a public scouring. If the church does not choose righteousness, then our Lord may allow our enemies to buffet us until we repent. The alternative is that the hidden and secret leaven will fester and spread. Does anyone need to be reminded that a little leaven leavens the whole loaf? Why did God put prophets in the body of Christ if not to speak to, seek out, expose the leaven? How do we know of King David's sin today? Whoops! Someone talked. Wrote it down. It went public and did we not all learn from it? And the Body of Christ is still here. If Hierarchs decide to protect their see, priests or parishes, rather than protect the salvation of the people, then it is time to prophesy in the light of day. If they refuse to act according to the dictates of their office, then "Let their days be few and another take their office."
Allowing this 14-year-old leaven to remain has produced exactly what the scripture warns will happen. The leaven is spreading. A second sexual offender has recently been ordained by the same ROCOR Bishop...and this high profile offender, who was expelled from seminary, serves in YOUR church, Father Seamans. It is no wonder that this current exposure is particularly problematic for you and why you lobbied so hard to shut it down.
I love our Lord. I love our church and I love our Metropolitan. I love the widow and the orphan. I love the innocent. I hate predators and the wolves who prey upon the innocent. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THEM IN ROCOR! NONE! I also have little patience or respect for "Holy Men Who Run Interference". But the fact that they do is the very reason why good men and women are "launching crusades" as you say. It is for these reasons that I posted: RAPE AND THE HOLY MAN An expose' of the alleged rape of a 15-year-old girl by a priest in ROCOR. It is also for these reasons that the next JTO post will be:
Sex And The Seminarian -The expelled married seminarian who committed a high-profile sexual offense with an 18-year-old girl and the ROCOR Bishop who recently ordained him to the deoconate.
The father of the girl is now your fellow priest serving as an Orthodox Military Chaplain in Afganistan. Can you imagine his dismay to recently learn that the man who nearly destroyed his family was found worthy to be ordained a deacon, by ROCOR Bishop Hilarion and apparently deemed worthy by you, Father Seamans? Apparently, the sexual predator and adulterer was also found worthy, by Father Mark Rowe, Vicar of the ROCOR WR, to serve at the annual ROCOR WR youth camp. ROCOR parents, were you aware of this?
"And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been stricken with grief and removed from your fellowship the man who did this?" Saint Paul
But you, Father Seamans, suggest that I and others who would speak out publicly, not as the first resort but the last resort, are worthy as well... but only of vilification. This ought not so to be!
Monday, December 17, 2018
Thursday, November 01, 2018
"If a secretly disturbed married man can fool around with a girl..."
|Fr Matthew Williams|
Saint Tikhon Russian
|Fr. Anastasy P. Yatrelis|
[*Editor's Note: St. Tikhon's Russian Orthodox Church is just across the TN state line in Bristol, Virginia. The state line runs down the middle of Bristol, TN and Bristol, VA.]
The following is the e-mail Carole Stephens sent to Father Williams. She forwarded the e-mail to JTO Editor, Nathan Lee Lewis, with the description:
"original reprimand to Matthew and Elizabeth. Forgive the grammar, I was still working night shift and home schooling."
"I have been trying to reach you over the past few days. [I] know that you now have a growing family and a growing church.[T]hat is why [I] thought you had been too busy to contact us or send things for the children on their name days. [Y]ou now have a sizable; family of your own. [A]nd [I] want to respect that. [B]ut the outrageous allegations of something really obscure keep popping up, never letting me rest. [T]his is something that keeps surfacing that has kept me in the dark for a long time. [A]nd what a way to find out -from my older children in front of my younger ones when [I] was supposed to be going to church [ ] last December, and then, again, surrounding the event of [sibling's] graduation from homeschool highschool, when a lot of the family came together. [O]nly this time [I] was able to confirm the truth with [victim-daughter].
[I]t seems that you took advantage of [Daughter] when she was only 15 on one of her visits to help Elizabeth [Editor's Note: Elizabeth is Father Matthew's wife] with your children. Or maybe it happened more? [T]his was all common knowledge to the [my] older sons and daughters --but hidden from me--because [Daughter] had confided in one of her older sisters, who was in turn outraged. [Y]ou don't realize what a great disturbance you have caused in my family. [W]hat a great breach of faith and trust. [T]here is nothing that could ever restitute what damage you have done to not only [Daughter], but to my children, the ones you were supposed to be godfather to. [I]t is an awesome task trying to raise children for Christ in this world of so many distractions and then with a spouse who is not always reasonable or supportive.[I]n the eyes of the older children who aren't faithful, the church has egg all over its face..and they doubt the credibility of all [I] have tried to accomplish at the [C]hurch of the [A]nnunciation all of these years. [Editor's Note: Carol and her family were members of Church of the Annunciation in Liberty, Tennessee, where the late Father Gregory Williams was a priest. Father Gregory Williams was Father Matthew Williams' father]
[E]very vigil, every lit candle, every painstaking moment of schooling at home--all but thrown to the wind because of great indiscretion. [T]his is damage done more on an eternal scale. [I]ts repercussions so uncertain. [D]id you think that [Daughter] would live untroubled and never confide in anyone? [A]nd that [I] would never find out? [W]hat about your own sons and daughters? [W]ould [you] like for them to reap such devastation as you have caused us? [...] of so many distractions. [F]inding out about this right at the time when my youngest are coming of age is a great mocking of all that [I] have tried to teach them these years at the [C]hurch of the [A]nnunciation. [I]t has disgraced the church in the eyes of my older children and has brought great reproach. [D]id you think that [Daughter] would never confide in anyone and that no one would get hurt? [T]hat [I] would not eventually find out. [E]ven if [I] wanted to ignore this and forget the past[,] my older children are after me to check into this. [Daughter] doesn't want to drag this out so that she continues to be haunted by it. [S]he has had a lot of anxiety over this as a freshman and sophomore in college. [S]he allegedly tried to talk with another priest and a bishop and was told to keep quiet. [W]hat kind of a hierarchy is that?
[I] don't care if she were starry eyed and had a crush on you. [T]his kind of act [typo ommitted] constitutes statutory rape. [S]omething men go to prison for and are marked as sex offenders. [S]he was a minor. [Sibling] and [Sibling] couldn[']t figure out at first why all of the sobbing and confusion. [T]hey thought she had just slipped out of your house with a [17-year-old] boy [a]nd felt guilt. [T]hat is why [I] called you a few months back. You really did lie to me. [content omitted] [...] [Y]ou were the portrait of piety. [A]nd where was your wife to protect my little girl from all of this? [W]hy did [I] think [I]could trust you? [I] don't necessarily want to bring such woe upon your children as you have [d]one to my own, but you need to know and own up to your actions. [Sibling] has blamed himself. [T]o what extent did this occur? [N]ow [I] see the reason for the silence and why [Daughter] didn't want to go to your parish for [P]ascha year before last and why you never called her.
[N]ow [I] can say that two of my [grandchildren] were indirectly damaged because of this parish. [...] [A]nd you have to know that your actions hurt others lives and now as an officer of the orthodox faith how much more. [N]ow [Daughter]. [W]hen only 15 or even younger. [S]he was very troubled and unstable and had a nervous breakdown... and eventually stopped caring about church and the faith. [W]hy should she if the people in the church are equal to those at large? [content omitted] [...] [Daughter] may never set foot in the [O]rthodox church again. [S]he continued to sing in the cleros until 18 and then visited some after she moved to [city]. [I] was so proud to look at her when she was 18 one [P]ascha, when she was still living at home and attending [university] with [sibling]. [S]he was the picture of beauty and an honor student..what seemed to me a shining maid with her lovely veiling. [L]ittle did [I] know of her troubled condition.
[Y]ou need to face up to how your actions can hurt others. [content omited] [T]here are very few men of integrity to teach the young generation about God. [I] thought you were different, [I] thought you were the makings of one with a beautiful wife at your side..an officer of the orthodox church.
[W]hat about you[ ]? You have confirmed in your own God children that God doesn[']t matter in the face of temptation. [Y]ou should never have been left alone with my [Daughter]. For this you deserve a great flogging. And you can ignore all of my messages to call. I would like an explanation from your wife and from you. You can ignore me, but that [won't] make the reality disappear that you have done this to us.
[J]ulianna"[Editor's Note: Julianna is Carole Stephen's baptismal name]
Carole gave this explanation of the aftermath of the letter:
"Father Matthew and his matushka did call me after my circulating the letter. They had been confronted by Metropolitan Hilarion's office. I was actually stranded in a Megabus atop Donner's Summit when they reached me. We went round and round for a couple of hours. Prior to that phone call, a few days earlier, Fr. John Oliver of St. Elizabeth's Orthodox Church in Murfreesboro (who NEVER called me) called me when I was at my brother's house in California, saying that Fr. Matthew wanted to arrange a meeting with me at St. Elizabeth. He was willing to drive all of the way from Bristol to meet me in Murfreesboro to discuss the matter. But I was in California. When I returned to TN I asked Father John what Fr. Matthew had said to him about the matter. He claimed that he did not know the details: though I did send the first letter addressed directly to Fr. John. To me, they were passing the buck around. They were careful not to admit to what extent the assault happened nor have anything in writing. I was the one who discovered the orgin of the rape and DID make a [*] written police report in Roswell, GA. But they did not maintain it nor give it a case# because the victim did not want to come forward."
An e-mail exchange between Carole and JTO Editor Nathan Lee Lewis:
JTO: Did FMW admit to any of the allegations in the "round and round" phone call? Was there a complete denial or an excuse or explanation? What was the nature of the call? What was discussed for two hours?
Carole: Yes there was an admission o[f] guilt[,] forgiveness asked [.] But how do you forgive for such damage to your children? They have children[.] Clergy abuse[.]
JTO: Please forgive the specifics of this question...but I need to know if it was a rape [graphic description omitted] or another kind of physical violation. I am calling it a rape but need to amend my verbiage if it was not...
Carole: It was rape. What's more, my other children, god children of the couple, see no salvation in the Orthodox Church ...[Daughter] is the one who confided in her sisters and admitted this to me.
JTO: Got it. Thank you for confirming this.
Carole: They tried to minimize this. Fr. John, I have a lot of respect for, but I feel he also tries to skirt around what was said to him by Fr. Matthew. I went to see him at his church specifically to ask him questions, point blank, about what he knew. He was evasive. [...] Fr. Gregory Williams and Matushka, tried to minimize the assault and shame me. [...] [...] it goes without saying that there are many wolves in sheep's clothing who abuse their position of power (which in the case of the church should be a greater position of humility) who will receive the greater condemnation for harming the innocent. [...] I have seen this on the mission field in Latin America. Do you want to be in communion with disturbed people who harm young people's lives? [Daughter] has been emotionally damaged and it is a long road to recovery. Pray for us.
There was a subsequent e-mail exchange between Carole and JTO Editor Nathan Lee Lewis where JTO asked for clarity:
JTO: I must double check facts and verbiage is VERY important for finding the facts. Here is an example: I need clarification:I asked you: "Did FMW admit to any of the allegations in the "round and round" phone call? Was there a complete denial or an excuse or explanation? What was the nature of the call? What was discussed for two hours?"Your answer was: "Yes there was an admission o[f] guilt forgiveness asked .."In this instance, in a court of law or in a journalistic investigation, your reply would be deemed non-specific. It did not answer the question asked. I asked if FMW admitted to any of the allegations. You said, "there was an admission...". Given that Elizabeth was on the call as well and given that you all went "round and round", I need to [ ] know if it was FMW who admitted the actual rape in his own words to you. Did he say "I did it" or was he evasive and non-specific? Did he ask your forgiveness for the rape of your daughter or was it a general, "I'm sorry for the whole event type thing?"Carole: Elizabeth did say that she should have known better than to have a teenaged girl in her home. Matthew did say that if it made me feel any better, Elizabeth almost left him for the incident. I told him that he should love his wife all the more. They reminded me of all that they had done for me in the past and Elizabeth did say that her husband does a lot of good for people as a priest. They offered to do something for me financially. [...] He was evasive about dates, location of the crime, and to what extent (how many times did it occur?) as I was asking point blank questions. They begged forgiveness over and over, but were non-specific. Of course they wanted to avoid prosecution.
|Archpriest Andrei Sommer|
"... I found out about it after [daughter] was grown, but it happened at age 15. [...] [name omitted] came home on the Greyhound crying and was picked up by Eleni, her God mother to spend a weekend with her and her girls after helping Ma[t]thew and Elizabeth babysit their children in Atlanta. She wanted to speak with Fr. Anastsy by phone and did not w[a]nt to tell Eleni what was wrong. But she did beg Eleni not to tell her parents. I found [In her apparent frustration with the response of Father Williams and his wife, and the lack of progress with the Metropolitan's investigation, Carole Stephens went public with a very provocative, email blast. The e-mail was sent initially to twenty people:
a]out the truth around the time of [sibling's] high school graduation. I would wait until my kids were at softball practice then I would try to call Matthew. He would never answer. Then I typed out an e-mail. It took me 3 months to send it. Right away, I got a response from [daughter], for they had harassed her by phone to get me off of their backs. I have filed complaints with the metropolitan and with the police. Nobody seems to care that this happened...but my older daughters hold me accountable, because I was the one who trust[ed] Matthew and Elizabeth. I had to be ambiguous in my alert as not to hurt my daughter. Matthew was only willing to call me when the letter hit the metropolitan's office...but later called [daughter] and convinced her to lie to the metropolitan's investigator..."
This e-mail prompted a response from at least one of its recipients, an OCA priest who happened to be a second brother-in-law of Father Matthew Williams:"BETRAYAL AT ITS WORST!!!
This notification is to alert you that a horrible offense was committed against my daughter at the hand of your brother or brother in law and then swept under the rug, as my daughter was coerced into silence, then later harassed by phone when this finally came to light. She could not help but to confide in someone, namely her older sisters, and feared disrupting the stability of her family as well as that of the perpetrator as she suffered in tears. The senior priest she confided in also told her that this should never be found out. To my dismay, there exists a huge organization called SNAP and a whole website, pokrov.org, dedicated to counseling victims and families of victims abused by clergy AND I HAVE HAD TO GO THERE!!! Think about your own lovely daughters when you consider this. The victim pays the price and so does the victim's family. Mothers, be forewarned and vigilant. Clergy members...JUST STOP IT!!! There are enough sex offenders running around hurting children. Can the church NOT be a refuge? Where is God in all of this?"
Greetings in the Lord,
Joyous feast of St. Andrew the First Called!
I am troubled at the pain I hear in your email. Our first concern needs to be towards healing, both for the victim and those who surround her. I hope she and those who need it are getting the counseling and attention they need at this time. Closely following this needs to be careful attention given to the accused. If this accusation mentioned involves a minor at the time of the event then the authorities need to be contacted for an official investigation to understand what has happened and what needs to be done for, not to, the accused. If the event does not have to do with a minor then the appropriate ecclesiastical authority should be contacted towards the same conclusion.
Father Christopher Stanton
I am saddened by the need for such a general and widely broadcasted email. In today's world rumor and hear say holds the same power and often more so than the truth, and the ambiguous nature of this email certainly lends itself to such; if not plain slander. The scriptures call for us to cover our brother's sin (not to hide it which could lead to further sin) so as to not color nor prejudice others against each other. We live in a world of sin, even and especially in the sinless and spotless Church of Christ, and because of this we need each other for support, confidence, and consolation. Let us not think, say, or do anything to cause division nor disruption among us.
Finally, I offer my prayers, sympathy, and what ever counsel I can for your recovery, health and wellbeing at this time.
In Christ's love,
Fr. Christopher StantonThe intentions of the priest seem to be from a pastoral heart. The letter also seems to be an attempt at proper pastoral written discourse. What is lacking in the letter is a commitment to become personally involved and accomplish any of the things he suggests need to happen.
- I hope she and those who need it are getting the counseling and attention
- careful attention given to the accused
- authorities need to be contacted
"What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."To paraphrase, "Oh you look hungry. Sure hope you find some food." In this case, it seems to be "Oh a horrible offense was committed against your daughter at the hand of my brother-in-law. I hope justice is done and you aren't being untruthful."
What is present in the letter is the warning to Carole Stephens that she may be engaging in rumor and hearsay and engaged in "plain slander." The priest and others might do well to understand the definition of "slander". The primary definition is:
"The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation...make false and damaging statements about (someone)."To meet the definition of slander, the accusation must first be false.
There is a related synonym of slander, "spread scandal about", however, Carole Stephens seemed to have made an initial concerted effort to inform the appropriate civil and ecclesiastical channels before resorting to sending an e-mail blast to a limited number of clergy and laymen, not only appealing for justice, but also warning them to protect their own children who may come in contact with the accused.
In any case, the warning against slander/falsehood fade in light of the victim's own words in which she seeming acknowledges the truth of Carole's e-mail.
In 2012, Carole Stephens had a series of e-mail exchanges with her daughter. The daughter was obviously aggravated by her mother's public attempts to bring Father Matthew to account. Although the testimony of others shows a distraught 15-year-old girl in tears at the time of the alleged event, the four e-mails, years later, seem to show a hardened, calloused, bitter, and angry young adult, frustrated with a mother who will not be silent. In any case, the exchange below is void of a denial by the daughter and seems to confirm that an event involving Father Matthew Williams did occur. One might notice the victim's exchange with her mother did not include, "Mom, what are you talking about", "Mom, nothing happened" "Mom why are you making stuff up" and the like. The exchange seems to assume an "8-year-old" event and the victim seems to have as her goal that the mother just stop talking about it and stop dredging up old pain, while expressing utter contempt for Matthew and Elizabeth Williams:
[Editor's Note: BOLD emphasis is mine]
Email Exchange One:
Daughter: What will make you happy? What do you want? Money? A public humiliation and apology? Because you say you don't want to destroy their lives and yet you keep pestering them. What do you want?
Email Exchange Two:Carole: I dont need anything from them. [B]ut they should be aware if they didnt have enough presence of mind at the time when you were 15, then what makes you think that anyone one of his relatives would be safe. [F]or crying out loud..think of them. [T]hose two need to be warned. [E]lizabeth needs to be warned. [Y]ou have even read the news about current violations and many child sufferrers. [T]hey just cant get off with complete tranquility that this was OK. [T]he [name omitted] girls were mad at their parents for not taking action against a man that bothered them. [Name omitted] just merely kicked him out of the house. [T]he girls thought that they werent worth it. [F]or the love of [Father John Oliver's daughter] who is 12 and all [ ] of her little sisters and cousins, stop trying to protect a priest from rreprimand..a man who is supposed to call others to repentance. [H]e needs a little reprimand from an angry mom....as a forwarning.
Daughter: I'm not even a real person to you am I? You don't care about my wishes or what Ive been through. Alright fine. Go nuts. Make yourself miserable. Make them miserable. Everything is about YOU after all. But you wont touch me with your poor pitiful martyrdom because I am over it. I know that life goes on and I don't buy into this stupid modern American ideal that someone must suffer just because my life isn't perfect. As long as you keep talking to them, I am not your daughter. I am ignoring every call every letter. You can't accept me as I am. I'm not blond enough skinny enough church enough young enough virgin enough. Your romantic ideals are evil and destructive. I wish you well. But mostly I wish you would find a hobby besides gossip and feeling sorry for yourself and slaving away for [explitive] kids.
Email Exchange Three:Carole: I care ab[o]ut your wishes. [S]top feeling sorry about your ownself. I have enough to do and have little time for hobbies. [Y]ou should be proud of your brother [name omited] right now. [H]e is really going to college and is going to have less time to hang out with [name omitted]. I am not a martry. Just because hard work is required for a family does not mean that I persay am a martry. [Y]ou should not be referring to your brothers and sisters that way just because these terrible things happened to you. [E]ven more things happened to me as a kid. [T]hey wont happen to the younger girls. If you want to be that way think about your own children. [Sibling] thinks [I] am wimpy for not saying a thing. [I] wrote that letter back in may and finally pushed the button.
Daughter: Oh yeah, one more thing: You are chasing after this eight-year-old ghost and yet you are perfectly happy to ignore the many issues right under your nose. FOR EXAMPLE:[...] [name omitted] lives at your house. He is 22 yrs old and a creep at the best of times. YOU KNOW THIS. And yet he continues to live there free of charge with your young daughters. If a secretly disturbed married man can fool around with a girl what do you think about a good for nothing pill head?! Even if he would never touch them, what kind of respect do you have for your family's integrity to let him be there?
Email Exchange Four:Carole: [...] You should not be trying to shield an unconvicted sex offender if he is in a position of presiding over others lives and has a lot of extended family..especially if he has many nieces. [W]e all know that these things happen with people most trusted. [...] if he ever laid a hand on them we would know it and he would go to jail. If [name omitted] or the boys ever did that [I] would quickley forget that they are my sons. I am not trying to fight about this or have [I] pressed charges. [B]ut [I] am not the kind of wimpy mom who is going to just smooth this over without a word. [Sibling] is so outraged that she is ready to kick butt and [sibling] doesnt think it should be excused at all. I have enough mercy to think of [M]atthews present situation his wife and children[,] but he needs a warning. [T]oo many guys get away with this then hurt others. I think you should let go of your hostility toward me and stop trying to make a victim out of him. [...]
Daughter: Well I am asking you to stop. This is about me protecting me. I don't give a damn about them. They can go to hell. Just for MY sake get over it.
Carole: I do care, [daughter]. I do know that these things have serious repercussions for any girl. I was one of those girls. [W]hen I talked with [sibling] about this, she was under the opinion that as a mother [I] had no right to even keep quiet about this. [L]ike [I] said, [I] wrote that lettter in may and just pushed the button this past monday. [Y]ou are still so young and do need to move on as [I] had to learn to do with the thing about my dad. [F]orgiveness is a powerful healing tool handed down from above. [content omitted] [Y]ou are my little girl. [Y]ou always will be no matter if you ever speak with me or not. [A]t least know this..[I] would be less of a woman to let the [W]illiams go along on one of their arrogant paths thinking they can do no wrong when they have wounded people exceedingly and also vexed peoples spiritual lives when they were self proclaimed leaders....and not go out on a limb for my own child. [content omitted - discussion of similar events with others] you are exceptionaly gifted and beautiful and deserve to move on without any more pain. [Sibling and sibling] think of you the same way that you think of [thee other sibilings]. [T]hey challenged me not to let this go at all... and you neednt had to know that [I] pushed that button. [J]ust think of the risk [I] took. [...] [D]ont think [I] didnt consider the risk of you saying that you would never speak to me again...however painful that would be. [I]f something were to ever happen to anyone else, like the little [O]liver girls [I] would never forgive myself not having said a timely word. [B]etter said in private to the source , then for me to go to [L]ara and [F]r. [J]ohn...and scandalize everyone. [W]hat motivated so many to keep quiet about sandusky.? [H]ow many more were hurt by it because of silence and fear of toppling sandusky? [...] A fair warning by email is the step in time that could save 9. [...] Love you , girl [...].
A public humiliation and apology... what Ive been through... I am over it. I know that life goes on... eight-year-old ghost... If a secretly disturbed married man can fool around with a girl... This is about me protecting me. I don't give a damn about them. They can go to hell.
"Your repeated attempts to be heard and to get the justice you seek can be termed as harassment or more, making you vulnerable to legal action. This reality is, by itself, reason to let this go..."Carole has had strong words for such attacks. She told the JTO Editor:
"That is what I get for "talking". I get to lose my daughter, [omited] I get to be shamed as an instigator and a slanderer, I get to have a daughter who suffers emotional devastation. I get to be a loser. Congratulations to the ROCOR for ordaining a sex offender. They can receive communion from him and be in communion with him."Nevertheless, Carole Stephens has been like the Persistent Widow:
"And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint; Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man: And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary. And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man; Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith. And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:1-8
"But if you fail to do this, you will be sinning against the Lord, and you may be sure that your sins will find you out."
Rod Dreher, the Senior Editor of the American Conservative, in his article, "Priest: Here’s Why Bishops Cover Up Abuse", speaks to this issue:
"It is true that the validity of the sacraments do not depend on the worth of the priest through whose hands they are consecrated — this is true in the Orthodox Church as well — but this truth can easily be perverted into indifferentism toward the subjective character of the Christian life, and conversion. Many Catholics I know have had to compartmentalize their spiritual lives to deal with this scandal and other related scandals among the clergy, repeating to themselves the dogmatic truth (and I believe it is true, just so you understand me clearly) that however faithless, cowardly, and corrupt the priest may be, the Eucharist really is the Body of Christ. God bless them for that; I did that for a couple of years, but couldn’t keep it up. The thing is, though, when bishops and priests treat the Eucharist and the laity with such contempt, people may cease to believe in the authority of those priests when they teach that this is what the Eucharist is, and what the sacraments are. It begins to look like a sham."
The list might start out with these 15, asked in a face-to-face meeting with Father Williams:
- Did you have any type of inappropriate sexual contact with [name withheld]?
- Why do you think the Mother is insistent that her daughter has admitted to her and to her siblings that you had inappropriate sexual contact?
- What was your relationship with the girl?
- Did she stay in your home from time to time?
- Was she staying in your home when the mother, Carole Stephens, alleges that the inappropriate sexual contact occurred?
- When and how did you first hear of the allegation toward you?
- Were you aware of this allegation prior to being ordained a priest in ROCOR and did you make the ordaining entities aware of it? If not, why not?
- Since hearing of the allegation toward you, have you and/or your wife had contact either personally or by phone or letter with (daughter's name withheld]? If so, what was the purpose and content of that or those correspondences and how many have there been?
- Carole Stephens has claimed that you and your wife had a lengthy, two-hour, phone conversation with her and that she went "round and round" with both of you. Did this phone conversation occur? If so, what was the purpose and content of the call? Did you admit to the mother that you were guilty of raping her daughter or acting in a sexually inappropriate manner and did you ask for her forgiveness as she has asserted?
- Have you or your wife at any time offered to give money or financial assistance to Carole Stephens?
- Did Father John Oliver attempt to set up a meeting with you and Carole Stephens? If so, what did you think was the nature of the meeting? Did you agree to the meeting?
- Are you willing to meet with us, Carole Stephens and several of her other children who claim that [daughter's name withheld] confessed to them that you were sexually inappropriate with her?
- Would you have any objections to us contacting [Daughter] to corroborate your answers?
- Have you read Carole Stephen's account of the event and her public e-mails she has sent out over the last few years? If so, is her account accurate? If not, what specifically is not accurate?
- Have you been truthful in your answers regarding this matter to us and others?
Matthew 22:21 Jesus said, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's" Romans 13: 1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which are established by God."
This JTO editor was one of many who was a recipient of Carole Stephen's numerous e-mails over the last four years. It was difficult to divine the facts and easy to feel helpless to act, being on the outside looking in. As providence would have it, I entered the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia on May 28, 2017. I did not make the connection that I was entering the same Orthodox Jurisdiction as Father Matthew Williams until a few months after that. We now share the same Bishop. The thought that I might eventually see Father Matthew Williams face-to-face, that he might concelebrate in a joint service with my own priest, in my own parish church, brought a discomfort to me, one that I could not ignore. I began to reconnect with Carole Stephens and talk with her personally via e-mail. I assured her that I was compelled to act, not only for her sake and the sake of her daughter, but I had a holy compunction driven by the words of Christ. "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." My lack of action would be as grievous a sin as what has been exposed here. At this point and in this case, it is not the mother making the complaint to the ROCOR, it is a member of the ROCOR. In a legal sense, the allegation of sexual misconduct is brought by the mother and not by this writer. In an ecclesiastical sense, the ROCOR is compelled by their own Policies and Procedures to take this mother's account from my hands, making sure, this time, that the event is "diligently investigated" while remembering that, "The person making the complaint is assured of an understanding and respectful reception" and that this complaint is "responded to with justice, compassion and charity for all person's involved."
|Fr. Mark Rowe|
Any person who intends to make a complaint of sexual abuse against a bishop, priest or deacon of the Church, or against any other clergyman, including subdeacon or psalm-reader, or against a parish warden (starosta), may telephone or may write to their Diocesan Office of Clergy Personnel at 75 East 93rd Street, New York, NY 10128, telephone 212-534-1601 (if writing, please indicate a way that you may be contacted, either in writing, or by telephone). The person making the complaint is assured of an understanding and respectful reception. In some instances, a complaint is first brought to a local priest or an official of a school or other Church institution. In such cases, the person receiving the complaint must advise the person making the complaint that the allegation and the identity of the person making the complaint will, to the extent possible and desired, be maintained as confidential. The person receiving the complaint must also make every effort to encourage the person who has made the complaint to contact the Office of Clergy Personnel directly. [1.b. Procedures, The Policy and Procedures of the Synod of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia Regarding Sexual Misconduct by Clergy]The key word here is "directly" to the Metropolitan's office. Not only did Father Mark Rowe not encourage me to talk directly to the Metropolitan's office, but he inferred that doing so is forbidden: "...no one sends communication directly..." In this case, Father Mark had no authority to open, read, advise, or in any other way offer unsolicited instruction related to the document and letter addressed to the Metropolitan. Archpriest or not, Father Mark Rowe did not follow ROCOR's own procedures to which he as a clergy is bound. It is not up to Father Rowe or any other local priest to filter, approve and in any other way decide whether or not a communication should go directly to the Metropolitan's office, especially in a matter of clergy sexual misconduct.
By his own admission, Father Mark Rowe is a priest, not a bishop, nor an official spokesman for the office of the Metropolia in matters of clergy sexual misconduct. He is an Archpriest of a Western Rite ROCOR Mission in Sarasota, Florida. In this case, he far overstepped his authority and a subsequent phone call with the JTO Editor revealed part of his motive.
In the phone call set up by my local priest, Father Mark Rowe initially reverted to the default, knee-jerk, circle-the-wagons, protect-the-institution position, by lashing out at the JTO editor, saying, "That document, frankly because of the way that you basically tell him, 'hey if I don't get the answer that I want, I'm blasting this all over social media...' " At that point in the conversation, I could only think of the mother, Carole Stephens, and the years of similar intimidation she had endured, trying to get someone to listen and show some godly integrity. It seems that ROCOR and a few of its sister jurisdictions have an unofficial system of filters through which information regarding sexual misconduct of its clergy must pass. If one does not know the established procedures of reporting, then they may have to endure what Carole Stephens did when she was confronted by these filters from several priests. First, comes the seemingly consoling words, but they are soon laced with subtle warnings, then the criticism as to the methods, then the unofficial brush off, then the ad hominems such as "unstable woman" when she dared to take it public.
It took Father Mark Rowe no more than three minutes into a one-hour phone conversation with the JTO Editor to jump right to the criticisms. It took him only three seconds to realize that he couldn't bully me as he might a grieving mother. Father Rowe backed down and apologized only after I cut him off, talked over his attempt to talk over me, and told him that the conversation was over and would only continue if he would be just a "little more courteous" and did not impune my methods or character. I also let him know that I would decide my own actions in this matter and did not care what anyone thought of me. I reiterated to him that my heart and first choice was not to "blast" anything and that I was trying to help a girl who had been raped (allegedly) by one of our priests. He said, "You're right. You're right. I apologize if it came off that way." I also informed him that I would not discuss the matter with him unless or until he was officially assigned by the Metropolitan to reinvestigate the matter. The rest of the phone conversation was he predominately talking, and cutting me off numerous times in the middle of a sentence. However, the bulk of his diatribe was agreeing with the content of the document, communicating that something did not pass the smell test with Father Matthew, that the 15 Questions contained in the document was his favorite part, that it was not necessary to have the victim come forward to adequately investigate, that the victim's own e-mails may constitute new evidence that warrants a new look into the matter, and that he would love to be appointed to re-investigate the matter. The most startling revelation in his diatribe was when he revealed that he, himself, was part of a "group" a while back that discussed priests that were having issues and that "this case came up." He said he remembered specifically that she (the victim) was not willing to cooperate and that's where they "left off." Father Rowe also pointed out that this case originally went through the "protocols of sexual abuse cases in the Russian Orthodox Church."
So this ROCOR priest and, by his account, a group of ROCOR priests, knows and have known of the allegation toward Father Matthews Williams. Did the determination that "she was not really willing to cooperate" take into account her alleged call to one of their fellow priests, Father Anastasy P. Vatrelis, just hours or days after the event?Was Fr. Anastasy P. Yatrelis in that "group" with Father Rowe that day? Would not such a call from the 15-year-old victim constitute cooperation, at least for the purposes of verifying that an event occurred?
The Most Reverend Metropolitan HILARION of Eastern America and New York
Your Eminence, July 4, 2018
Given that the literal meaning of the word "curtailed" is "to reduce in extent or quantity; impose a restriction on", the inference is presumably that no conclusion was made as to the guilt or innocence of Father Matthew Williams.
With that in mind, one might ask His Eminence to consider a few things:
4. Have you, has anyone talked with your own priest, Fr. Anastasy P. Yatrelis, who reportedly received the initial phone call from the 15-year-old victim just hours or days after the original event? If that call occurred, THE VICTIM DID "COME FORWARD" AND THERE IS NOT A "LACK OF ACCUSATION" as you asserted.
5. In case you somehow did not actually read the totality of the victim's account written by her at about age 23, eight years after the event, here are the cliff notes:
MOTHER: "...Stop trying to protect a priest from reprimand...a man who is supposed to call others to repentance. [H]e needs a little reprimand from an angry mom..."
DAUGHTER: "You don't care about my wishes or what Ive been through... I am over it... I know that life goes on..."
MOTHER: "...these terrible things happened to you..."
DAUGHTER: ..."You are chasing after this eight-year-old ghost... If a secretly disturbed married man can fool around with a girl..."
MOTHER: "...You should not be trying to shield an unconvicted sex offender if he is in a position of presiding over others lives."
DAUGHTER: ..."This is about me protecting me..."
|Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR|
Father Mark Rowe went on to say,"I think there's plenty of room to find out more about that case, plenty, and it doesn't have to be with her. The first thing in my mind was the questions you wrote...I like the part about the questions. My thing is, you [referring to a hypothetical converation with Father Matthew Williams] are held to a higher standard, so I'm already wondering why we are having this conversation. 'Why are people calling me about you. Make me feel better about this...' Personally, I need about three minutes and a look at someone's eyeballs and I will know. I want to see. I want to ask one question and I will know if I need to deal with that or not. The truth is the truth and that is all that's important...We have a duty to make sure that we take it to where it needs to go and sort that out spiritually, so everything is right. I'm hoping that there is something to deal with again...it's not egg on your face if it happens, well it is a little bit, but it is egg on your face if you don't deal with it. I'm hoping some new eyes take a look at that...some who say, 'I think there's smoke there may be fire...' We can't keep kicking this can down the road. We should have dealt with it then. The fact is, had we dealt with it properly in the beginning, perhaps, then this becomes a non-issue... I'm praying that it comes to a resolution."
"One of two things that is happening in his [Father Matthew Williams] mind is that he is completely prideful and says, 'ha, ha, ha, nothing happened' or it's in the back of his mind all the time. Let's do what's right. Let's put it out there. It is what it is. We can say, 'okay father here's the thing, you need to deal with this which is on the table."
Jesus the Christ was more specific in regard to the ramifications of conducting oneself in an evil manner against a child, in particular, a child who is a believer, seeking the Kingdom of God:“As we walk the unerring and life-bringing path, let us pluck out the eye that scandalizes us-not the physical eye, but the noetic one. For example, if a bishop or presbyter-who are the eyes of the Church-conduct themselves in an evil manner and scandalize the people, they must be plucked out. For it is more profitable to gather without them in a house of prayer, than to be cast together with them into the gehenna of fire together with Annas and Caiaphas.” — St. Athanasius the Great, PG 26:1257c
"Whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name, welcomes me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to *sin (*Skandalizo- to cause to stumble or fall- to craftily entice or lead to ruin), it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
"Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell."