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Wednesday, September 03, 2008

A Worthy Quote On Sola Scriptura

Everything that is in the Bible is true
but not everything that is true is in the Bible.

Tuesday, September 02, 2008

What Sola Scriptura Looks Like

I recently received the Post below in the Comment section of my post: "What Sola Scriptura Sounds Like." As you can see below, this Church Of Christ Commenter's Comment is an extensive list of scriptures collected together in categories. The Commenter left no reason as to why he posted such a list in the Comment section or how it applied to my tongue-in-cheek visual aid illustrating the confusion and disunity that Sola Scriptura has wrought. I can only assume that the Commenter thought that if he just posted scripture passages that would be sufficient for clear discourse. If the scriptures are sufficient and need no interpretation, why do churches have teachers and preachers? I assume the Commenter' s church has teachers and preachers. Why don't churches just have readers of the scriptures? Why do Christians write books? I wonder if anyone from Commenter's denomination has written books. Has he read any of them? Why, if all we need is the scripture, did the founder of the Church of Christ write commentaries on the scripture giving his opinion of what they mean? Why is this necessary if the scriptures speak for themselves and are self-sufficient and need no point of reference from history or church tradition? The fact is, we all listen to others opine on the meaning of the scriptures. The question is what will be the source of your influence? The 2000 year old Apostolic Church, or the 100 year old model of self-proclaimed "Reformers."
Indeed the Commenter's list is a good visual of what Sola Scriptura looks like. The more you read the more questions you have:
Anonymous said...
IV. THE IMPORTANCE OF SCRIPTURE (THE TRUTH, THE WORD, THE GOSPEL,THE DOCTRINE, THE FAITH) SCRIPTURE: Paul wrote Timothy: “…and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.“ (2 Tim. 3:15-17). Peter wrote: “…knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” (2 Pet. 1:20,21). Although these Verses tell us how the Old Testament came, the same principle is true concerning the New Testament. Jesus promised: “However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but what ever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.” (John 16:13-15). THE TRUTH: Concerning truth, John wrote: “For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. (John 1:17). Jesus said: “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24). He further stated: “And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32). He said: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6). In His great intercessory prayer, Jesus prayed: “Sanctify them by your truth. Your word is truth. (John 17:17) Paul in describing what love does said that it “rejoices in the truth.” (I Cor. 13:6). Paul asked: “O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth…” Gal. 3:1). “You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?” (Gal. 5:7). To the Thessalonians Paul wrote: “and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” (2 Thess. 2:10). John wrote in 2 John 4 “I rejoiced greatly that I have found some of your children walking in truth, as we received commandments from the Father.” In 3 John 4, John had this to say: “I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.” THE WORD: Regarding the Word of God Jesus said: “The seed is the Word of God.” (Luke 8:11). Jesus said: “the Words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” (John 6:63. “He who rejects Me, and does not receive My Words, has that which judges him-the Word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.” (John 12:48). Jesus prayed “for them also which shall believe on me through their Word.” (John 17:20) In the Book of Acts “the Word” is mentioned about 38 times. On the day of Pentecost “those who gladly received his Word were baptized.” (Acts 2:41). In Acts 8 those who were baptized (Vs. 12) were reported as “received the Word of God.” (Vs. 14).” “Those who were scattered went everywhere preaching the Word.” (Acts. 8:4). “The Word was considered so important that the Apostles could not “leave the Word of God and serve tables.” (Vs. 2), but gave themselves “continually to prayer and to the ministry of the Word.” (Vs. 4). After Cornelius and his household were baptized (Acts 10:48), Acts 11:1 states “that the Gentiles had also received the Word of God.” Those at Colosse were told to “Let the Word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” (Col.3:16). Timothy was told to “Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth.” (2 Tim. 2:15). “Preach the Word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.” (2 Tim. 4:2). The writer of Hebrews stated: “For the Word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Heb. 4:12). James told the 12 tribes scattered abroad to “receive with meekness the implanted Word, which is able to save your souls.” (James 1:21). THE GOSPEL: Some of the last words of the Lord Jesus Christ before His ascension were: “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” (Mark 16:15,16). Six times the “preaching of the gospel” is found in the Book of Acts. To the Romans Paul wrote: “So, as much as is in me, I am ready to preach the gospel to you who are in Rome also. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.” (Rom. 1:15,16). Paul wrote to the Corinthians: “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you unless you believed in vain.” (I Cor. 15:1,2). Paul wrote: “…and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. (2 Thess. 1:7,8). THE DOCTRINE: “Now about the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught. And the Jews marveled, saying, ‘How does this man know letters, having never studied?’ Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.” (John 7:14-16). Whenever and wherever Jesus taught, people were astonished at His teaching (doctrine). (Matt. 7:28; 22:33; Mark 1:22;11:18; Lk. 4:32). Of the early converts we read: “And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine…” (Acts 2:42). Paul urged the brethren at Rome to: “note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. (Rom 16:17). Paul urged Timothy: “remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine.” (I Tim. 1:3). After Paul foretold the great apostasy he told Timothy: “If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed.” (I Tim. 4:1-6). He urged Timothy to: “Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.” (I Tim. 4:16). Titus was told: “But as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine.” (Titus 2:1). He was further told: “In all things showing yourself to be a pattern of good words; in doctrine showing integrity, reverence, incorruptibility.” (2:7) THE FAITH: In many instances the word “faith” is preceded by “the” meaning the doctrine received, believed, and obeyed, Christian doctrine, the gospel, all that Christianity stands for: the system of religious (gospel) truth itself. Thus we read: “a great many of the priests were obedient to the faith.” (Acts 6:7); Elymas sought “to turn the proconsul away from the faith.” (Acts 13:8). Paul “exhorting them to continue in the faith.” (Acts 14:22); and “churches were strengthened in the faith.” (Acts 16:5). To the Romans Paul spoke of “weak in the faith.” (Rom. 14:1). He told the Corinthians: “Watch, stand fast in the faith; be brave, be strong.” (I Cor. 16:13) and to “Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith.” (2 Cor. 13:5). To the Galatians Paul said the churches in Judea “were hearing only ‘He who formerly persecuted us now preaches the faith which he once tried to destroy.” (Gal. 1:23). To the Ephesians Paul wrote of coming “to the unity of the faith.” (Eph. 4:13). The Colossians were told to “continue in the faith.” (Col. 1:23). And to be “established in the faith.” (Col. 2:7). Paul wrote “To Timothy, a true son in the faith:” (I Tim. 1:2). He said that “the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.” (I Tim. 4:1) Paul spoke of some who had “strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (I Tim. 6:10). He spoke of “men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith.” (2 Tim. 3:8). Paul said, “I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.” (2 Tim. 4:7). Jude in Verse 3 of his little epistle writes: “beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.” What a wonderful array of References attesting to the importance of God’s Revelation to us. Is it any wonder that near the front of the Bible we read: “You shall not add to the word” nor “take from it.” (Deut. 4:2); Near the middle we find: “Do not add to His words” (Prov. 30:6); and near the end the warning “If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev. 22:18,19). Jesus warned: “And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.” (Matt. 15:9). Paul admonished: “…that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written…” (I Cor. 4:6). He gave the stern warning: “But even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.” (Gal. 1:8-9). John wrote: “Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.” (2 John 9). Peter wrote: “If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God.” (I Pet. 4:11). Concerning the Book John wrote, he said: “And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.” (John 20:30,31). “Your Word have I hidden in my heart, that I might Not sin against you.” (Ps. 119:11) “Your Word is a lamp to my feet and a light To my path.” (Ps. 119:105) [Anonymous] Nathan Lee Lewis- A Sinner said...
Anonymous, I posted your lengthy list of categorized Scriptures mainly because I think it illustrates the point of my post. Sola Scriptura, The Bible Alone, void of any interpretive context within the life and history of the Church, leaves interpretation of the Scripture up to the individual or group. There is no debate that every word of the Bible is true, however who gets to say what truth is? Are the scriptures you listed self-explanatory? If so then why are there 25,000 different denominations who explain them differently? Who gets to say what these scriptures mean? You? Me? Campbell or Stone? Your Elder board? Orthodox means "right teaching" or "right glory". It is true that "No one or no other religion has anything to offer comparable to that of Jesus Christ taught in His all sufficient Word, the New Testament. (II Tim. 3:16,17)" This is fully Orthodox. There is no name under heaven and earth by which we can be saved. This is the gospel. It is the faith of our fathers, that which was handed down to us by the Apostles and preserved for us in the Church for over 2000 years. For it is the Church which is the "pillar and ground of the truth" ( 1 Timothy 3:15) and the gates of hell has never and will never prevail against it. The question is: Does what you believe about the Scriptures match what the Church/Apostles/Early Church Fathers believed about them? If not, why not? You can say the Church left the faith and got into error and now your group has it right, say something, but can you ignore the fact that the Church that the Apostles established is still here after 2000 years? It is the Orthodox Church, and its unbroken and undivided existence is historically verifiable. Regarding interpretation of scripture: My Southern Baptist Pastor father used to give an illustration of how easy it is to make the scriptures say what you want them to. If you start with a presupposition then you can come to the desired conclusion. For instance, put these two scriptures together and what do they say?: 1. "And Judas went out and hang himself." 2. "Go thou and do likewise." Here we have come up with the scriptural basis for suicide. Though the individual scriptures you listed are without error, you had to decide in what context to use them and thus you compiled them to speak a doctrinal opinion, "The Doctrine", The Faith" etc. But what if you have used a scripture in a way and in a context that the Church as a whole has never used it? Let's start where you referenced: “You shall not add to the word” nor “take from it.” (Deut. 4:2) This is reference to the Laws of Moses for a particular nation not "The Bible". The same passage says "I have taught you Laws and customs(traditions)." Does that mean the Orthodox are Right in giving great attention to that which was handed down by "letter and word? There goes the foundation of Sola Scriptura- only the scriptures. Next: “And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.” (John 20:30,31). What? So, everything that is written is true, but not everything that is true is written! You see, a lot of things happened in the Church that wasn't recorded by the disciples, but they were recorded by their disciples and by the entire unified church-its called Holy Tradition and it's called the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. This same church has preserved and interpreted scripture. So again, how much of what you believe about the scripture measures up with what they believed and preserved? How much of how you practice your faith matches up with how the church has always worshiped, your Scripture, Truth, Word, Gospel, Doctrine, Faith, as you have listed? What about the practical things? Why do you have the form of church government that you do? Why is the order of service the way it is? Does it really look like the Church of the Apostles? Who decided all of those things and when? It is true! “Your Word is a lamp to my feet and a light To my path.” (Ps. 119:105) But it is also true that the CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of that truth/word and eliminating her from the equation is to walk by a very dim light indeed.
Note To Commenter: Please forgive if I have misinterpreted your intent when you posted the list of scriptures. Void of any commentary I had to presume your intention. The fact remains that The Orthodox Church has preserved, taught, fought for, believed in, and die for the scriptures. History also shows that it was the Orthodox Church that gave you the Scriptures. If you so strongly believe in the inerrant Word of God, why can't you believe that the unified Church, who physically collected and preserved those inerrant scriptures, may have a pretty good idea how to interpret them? There was only one church for the first 1000 years! The scriptures are read and prayed word for word in the Orthodox Liturgy more than any other group on the planet and rightfully so for we are the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Come and see.

Monday, September 01, 2008

I Know What I Know What I Know...

It is unthinkable to think that what you think now will not be what you think in the future, especially where it comes to your doctrine, denomination or basic religious upbringing. But, alas, things change and we find we are not as knowledgeable as what we thought we were when we were thinking those thoughts. Ya think?

Thanks, but NO THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been inundated with e-mail forwards to almost all of my e-mail addresses. It seems the Evangelicals make best use of this impersonal method of communication. I try to take time to personally answer these forwards, especially the ones that are most provoking. I think it shocks the senders-they certainly don't expect to hear back from anyone when they push that forward button. Out of sight out of mind- no responsibility or accountability. My message to them...Quit it if you don't want to hear it! Here is my latest retort to someone who thought I might be inspired by anything Rick Warren says:

Dear Friend,

The Rick Warren update forwarded to my KFI Business account is an unfortunate substitute for a personal message. I have no interest in what he says or "thinks" (a word he uses often). I do care about what you think. I met Rick when he was a skinny newly graduated religious diatribe at California Baptist College. My cousin also is on his staff. Warren has already admitted the hollowness of his own ministry and church. It is regretful he couldn't have learned that in 1974 when I met him. Could have saved he and thousands of people from entering the mire of the western evangelical church which is a far cry from the original church of the Apostles-The Orthodox Church. He has sold a lot of books though. Rick Warren is a flash in the evangelical pan. I would rather quote men like St. Ignatius who lived and walked personally with the Apostles and Christ himself. But I'd be willing to bet Rick's followers have never heard of St Ignatius, Iranaeus, Justin Martyr, Clement of Rome or any of the Early Church Fathers who were too busy getting torn apart by lions to negotiate a book deal. They would have very little in common doctrinally or method-wise.

Please forgive my strong response, I seem to get more than my share of forwarded evangelical tripe. You are not the first one who has had both barrels let loose on them for not thinking through to whom they are communicating. I am not an evangelical, protestant or western Christian. I am part of the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church- Eastern Orthodox of Antioch, where we were first called Christians. The undivided, unbroken, original Church for over 2000 years. It took me 50 years to wade through the Warrenesque noise and find the faith of our fathers. I think I'll stay. When it gets too noisy for you I invite you to join me. www.journeytoorthodoxy.blogspot.com

Wednesday, August 27, 2008

Saint Rozella Pray For Me


For years as a Protestant I was confused about the immediate destination of a loved one when they departed this life. Somewhere along the line I was influenced by the idea of Soul Sleep. Soul Sleep is the idea that the soul of the departed immediately goes to sleep to await their bodily resurrection which occurs at the second coming of Christ. At the same time, I was told to rejoice because those that had gone on before are that "great cloud of witnesses." I couldn't resolve the question as to how the departed souls could witness anything if they were asleep. Nevertheless, as I Journey To Orthodoxy, I continue to be delivered, disconnected and defused from many heretical teachings that I once held, or more accurately, that once held me.

Purgatory is a wholly Roman Catholic doctrine. The Church Orthodox has never held that an unregenerate individual has a chance for salvation after death thus the idea of a state of waiting, to be prayed or paid out, is totally foreign and heretical. However, the Church Orthodox has always held that salvation is a process not an event and that process continues after physical death. Orthodox Prayers for the dead, which is such a difficult subject for the western religious mind, are not because the departed are not His, but because they are His. (I'll let you do a more thorough study on the theology of that one. Click the blue link above.) We pray for the departed and we pray to the departed, because the only thing they have departed is their physical bodies.

A quick semantics observation for the non-orthodox and the English illiterate, the definition of "pray."

prayed, pray·ing, prays. v.intr.

  1. To utter or address a prayer or prayers to God, a god, or another object of worship.
  2. To make a fervent request or entreaty.
v.tr.
  1. To utter or say a prayer or prayers to; address by prayer.
  2. To ask (someone) imploringly; beseech. Now often used elliptically for I pray you to introduce a request or entreaty: Pray be careful.
  3. To make a devout or earnest request for: I pray your permission to speak.
  4. To move or bring by prayer or entreaty.
[Middle English preien, from Old French preier, from Latin precārī, from precē, pl. of *prex, prayer.]

So pray tell, in case you have a problem with the thought of anyone praying to anyone other than God, simply answer this question: "Have you ever asked a human being anything?" If the answer is "yes" then you prayed to them. Is there a difference in asking/praying to God and asking/praying to a departed saint? Of course. God can sovereignly move on our behalf and change events by His own hand. The only power that a departed saint has to effect events is in His prayer to God on our behalf. They have lived this life, have left this life and are today with the angels and all the saints of the ages around the throne of God.

It is with this in mind that I found myself at Morning Prayers recently. As I paused to add personal petitions (prayers) I saw, in a new and dynamic way, in the debths of my spirit, that my mother, Rozella, who left this life in 1980, is still alive, is conscious, can hear and see me, and is present with the angels and the saints of the ages worshiping around the throne. I spoke to her. I "prayed" to her to beseech the Lord on my behalf for the salvation and theosis of my soul and I prayed to God for the theosis of her soul. I cannot explain, I only can say, my mother was with me and I was with her. She was where I was and I was where she was for the first time since 1980. The realm of the Spirit is as real as the physical. It's the same but different :-). I communed with the saints. I communed with Saint Rozella and who better to pray for me than the one who knows me so well?

Tuesday, August 26, 2008

The Problem With Semantics Part 4 Hearing What We Think We Hear

Hal Smith was the choir director at church. His wife Tilly, was the organist. As Tilly was practicing one day, a fellow church member came up behind her and asked her a question having to do with the choir. Not having the answer and raising her voice above the organ, Tilly replied, "Go to Hal!" The church split soon after that. To this day no one knows why.

Alternative ending: Hal and Tilly were asked to leave the church soon after that. To this day they don't know why.

The Problem With Semantics Part 3 Hearing What We Think We Hear

A hillbilly man from the hills took his first trip to the big city of New York. He was absolutely mesmerized by the sites and sounds. He gazed into windows and watched the different characters pass by, even saying an occasional "How U?", getting no response. A nearby police officer watched the hillbilly with suspicion. As the hillbilly fixed his eyes on the heights of a tall building the policeman decided to confront him. "Got an ID?" the officer asked? "About whut?" came the reply.

Sunday, August 24, 2008

The Problem With Semantics Part 2

A conversation with Jesus.

Many times when I am troubled or confused, I find comfort in sitting in my back yard having an iced tea and a quiet conversation with Jesus.

This happened to me again after a particularly difficult day.

I said “Jesus, why do I work so hard?”
 And I heard the reply: “Men find many ways to demonstrate the love they have for their family. You work hard to have a peaceful, beautiful place for your friends and family to gather.”

I said: “I thought that money was the root of all evil.”
 And the reply was: “No, the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. Money is a tool; it can be used for good or bad”.

I was starting to feel better, but I still had that one burning question, so I asked it. “Jesus,” I said, “what is the meaning of life? Why am I here?”
He replied: “That is a question many men ask. The answer is in your heart and is different for everyone. I would love to chat with you some more, Señor, but for now, I have to finish your lawn.”
(borrowed- origin unknown)

Saturday, August 23, 2008

The Problem With Semantics

In case you can' t read this, the posted sign reads:

"Bill Stickers Will be Prosecuted"

The graffiti response reads, "

"Bill Stickers is innocent."



In case semantics has gotten in your way:

Orthodox don't worship Mary, we venerate her.

Praying to saints is "asking them to pray for us", not attributing to them the power and ability of God to change things in our lives.

Kissing the hand of the Priest is honoring what that hand does in offering the Eucharist, not worshiping the man who owns the hand.

And so on and so on...

Do you really want to know what the Church has always held or will you continue to diatribe and be dogmatic to the detriment of your own soul?

Blowing Off Steam-Cover Your Face!

I received a forwarded video smearing Barack Obama today. There was nothing in the words of this Church Of Christ Brother that was heretical, however the commentator of the video, with an obvious agenda, attempted to make it seem so. I am afraid I came close to sinning. I refuse to post the video here for you to see so you will just have to get the gist from my words. Here was my rambling my response:
I am weary of these conservative evangelical fundamental misconstruers of Barack Obama. There are negatives about Obama but this video is dishonest. If you have ears to hear, listen again to what he is saying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is doing anything but mocking! He is pointing out the hypocrisy of the Government. Obviously the books of the law are not applicable to us today! So what part of what he said do you not agree with ???? I am a Christian and heard no heretical teaching coming from his mouth. It is a sin also to falsely accuse a brother in Christ. Shame on the promoter of this video. He is a liar and a deceiver and those who promote this video are just as deceived. Stop it! You keep voting for so-called "pro life" politicians and "how's that working for you?" Why do we still have Roe V Wade and abortion on demand after all these years? Could it be that you Evangelicals are just being used? If you want to do something really constructive, invest or send investors to my pro-life film Ausrotten. (See link below.) Put your money where your mouth is! Help change the hearts and mind of the world by supporting a feature film that reveals the murderous spirit of the Pro Choice, Planned Parenthood driven extermination machine. Austrotten is German for "Extermination." Come on you heartless diatribes! I am offering you an opportunity to actually effect the spiritual realm by getting physically involved. But I doubt many or any will take me up on this offer. Look at all the non-profit pro-life groups you think so highly of and probably support. They are so concerned with paying the salaries of all their myriads of employees that, in comparison, they could care less how many babies have been ripped apart, limb from limb today. They will go home and sleep just fine having deposited their paychecks that day. Quit wasting your time telling lies about Obama and ignoring the self righteous, unstable, war mongering, adulterer, McCain just because he said the right words to Rick Warren. "Professing themselves to be wise they become fools."

God Bless you. I look forward to hearing from you on my BLOG.

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