Well, after 17 years and three catechisms, including one that I taught...and being tonsured as a Reader, I had at least a working familiarity with the doctrine of the Orthodox Church. Also, my upbringing and an earned degree in Religion from a protestant university which adhered to the trinity doctrine. How about you? Have you ever studied the innovative doctrine of the Trinity and how it entered the church 400 plus years after Yeshua? How about opposing views? Have you studied them to see how they compare? If not, why not?
"Does the commonly accepted translation of Matthew 28:19 prove the existence of the Trinity? No. The mention of the Father, Son, and holy spirit together in one context only shows that these three exist. The doctrine of the Trinity that states there are three “Persons” in one God was not codified until AD 381. The Council of Nicea in AD 325 merely decided that Jesus was God, and did not make the Holy Spirit into a “third Person” in the Trinity. Also, there is a debate about whether the English translation of Matthew 28:19 should read “Holy Spirit” or “holy spirit” (the biblical evidence supports “holy spirit”), but in any case, there is no presentation in Matthew 28:19 of any formal doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity states that the Father, Son, and “Holy Spirit” together make “one God” and that the three “Persons” are co-equal and co-eternal, and that doctrine is not stated in this verse. This verse refers to three, but never says they are “one.” If the phrase about the Father, Son, and holy spirit is original, then the three things this verse refers to are: God the Father; His Son the Lord Jesus Christ; and the holy spirit, a “gift” from God (cf. Acts 2:38)." (REV) You may also want to read ACTS 19:5 Where they baptized in the NAME OF JESUS only. Finding truth in the myriad of Bible versions requires at least consulting the original manuscripts.
Anon @10:30 Does John 17:3 mean something to you? "And this is life in the age to come, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." Does ONLY mean ONLY?
Which is precisely why the Orthodox Trinitarian view is the only thing that makes sense. We're you even familiar with Orthodox theology?
ReplyDeleteWell, after 17 years and three catechisms, including one that I taught...and being tonsured as a Reader, I had at least a working familiarity with the doctrine of the Orthodox Church. Also, my upbringing and an earned degree in Religion from a protestant university which adhered to the trinity doctrine. How about you? Have you ever studied the innovative doctrine of the Trinity and how it entered the church 400 plus years after Yeshua? How about opposing views? Have you studied them to see how they compare? If not, why not?
ReplyDeleteSurely the great commission means something to you. Matthew 28:19-20.
ReplyDelete"Does the commonly accepted translation of Matthew 28:19 prove the existence of the Trinity? No. The mention of the Father, Son, and holy spirit together in one context only shows that these three exist. The doctrine of the Trinity that states there are three “Persons” in one God was not codified until AD 381. The Council of Nicea in AD 325 merely decided that Jesus was God, and did not make the Holy Spirit into a “third Person” in the Trinity. Also, there is a debate about whether the English translation of Matthew 28:19 should read “Holy Spirit” or “holy spirit” (the biblical evidence supports “holy spirit”), but in any case, there is no presentation in Matthew 28:19 of any formal doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity states that the Father, Son, and “Holy Spirit” together make “one God” and that the three “Persons” are co-equal and co-eternal, and that doctrine is not stated in this verse. This verse refers to three, but never says they are “one.” If the phrase about the Father, Son, and holy spirit is original, then the three things this verse refers to are: God the Father; His Son the Lord Jesus Christ; and the holy spirit, a “gift” from God (cf. Acts 2:38)." (REV) You may also want to read ACTS 19:5 Where they baptized in the NAME OF JESUS only. Finding truth in the myriad of Bible versions requires at least consulting the original manuscripts.
DeleteAnon @10:30 Does John 17:3 mean something to you? "And this is life in the age to come, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." Does ONLY mean ONLY?
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