Did Jesus Have a Past Life? Destiny vs. Preexistence

A Trinity person asked...

Please explain how the Word that became flesh (Jesus) was with God and was God in the beginning before Christ was born? And how could Jesus have looked forward to the glory he had BEFORE becoming flesh?

And then someone replied with this...

Jesus did not physically exist before his birth, but rather was foreordained according to 1 Peter 1:20, which explains the “pre-existence” verses. God’s Word “Logos” in John 1:1 refers to God’s plan, wisdom, and intention. NOT a “second person” of the doctrine of men’s Trinity. That “Word” became flesh when Jesus was born and that was in John 1:14.

The “Word” was with God in the beginning because God’s plan and purpose for salvation was with Him from the start. But not as a literal person yet. So in John 17:5, when Jesus says he had glory with God before the world began, he’s not talking about remembering a past life. He’s asking the Father to now give him the glory that was planned for him all along.

Just like believers are said to be chosen “before the foundation of the world” (Ephesians 1:4), even though we didn’t exist yet. It’s about destiny, not preexistence. Jesus is God’s human Messiah, born at a specific time (Luke 1:35), not an eternal being who became a man. The beauty is that God’s plan - His Word - became a real person, when the precious Son was born!

Written by: Colleen Farris

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The Father "Made" Him (And "Raised" Him)

Acts 2:29-36

“Men, brothers, I can speak to you with confidence about the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Since he was a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body he would seat one of his descendants on his throne, he, foreseeing this, spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his flesh see corruption. GOD HAS RAISED this Jesus; we all are witnesses of this. Then, being exalted to the right hand of God, and having RECEIVED FROM THE FATHER the promised holy spirit, he has poured out this that you see and hear. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, The Lord said to my Lord, ‘Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.’ “Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has MADE HIM—this Jesus whom you crucified—both Lord and Christ.”

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"Eternally Begotten"- A Nonsensical Phrase

From the REV Commentary

9) God is eternal, but Jesus had a beginning

"God was not born; He is eternal. In contrast to the eternal God, Christ is “begotten,” that is, born. Jesus Christ had a beginning. Jesus is never called “God the Son” in the Bible, but he is called the “Son of God” more than 50 times, and a “son” has a beginning. The very fact that Jesus is the “Son of God” shows he had a beginning. Trinitarian doctrine denies this and invents the phrase “eternally begotten.” But “eternally begotten” is not in the Bible; it was invented to help explain the Trinity but is actually a nonsensical phrase; the words are placed together but they cancel each other out. “Eternal” means without beginning or end, whereas something that is “begotten,” by definition, has a beginning.

We cannot approach the Bible with wisdom and “reason together” with God (Isa. 1:18) if we must invent and use non-biblical phrases to support our theology. Also, additional evidence that Jesus had a beginning is provided in verses such as Matthew 1:18, which speaks of the “beginning” of Jesus Christ (see commentary on Matt. 1:18), and Colossians 1:15 (covered above), which says that Jesus is part of God’s creation. The Bible calls Jesus the “Son” of God for the simple reason that he had a beginning. Jesus had been part of God’s plan since the foundation of the world, but he began his actual life when God “fathered” him and Mary conceived him in her womb."

The First Adam - The Last Adam

"So also it is written, the first man, Adam, became a living soul. The last Adam has become a life-giving spirit. But the spiritual is not first, on the contrary, the soul body is; after that is the spiritual. The first man is of the earth, made of dust; the second man is of heaven. Like the one made of dust, so too are those who are of the dust; and like the heavenly man, so too will be the heavenly ones. And just as we have borne the image of the man made of dust, we will also bear the image of the heavenly man." 1 Cor. 15: 45-47

Yet For Us There Is One God

"Therefore, concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that “no idol in the world really exists,” and that “there is no God but one.” For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we are for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we are through him."

 Commentary from the REV

“one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we are for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we are through him.” This verse clearly distinguishes between Jesus and God. There is one God and Father, and there is one man, Jesus, who is our “Lord.” This verse shows how God and Jesus work in unity to get the Church what it needs. God gave Jesus all authority and made him head over the Church, so now we get what we need “through” Jesus.

Some Trinitarians say that this verse supports the doctrine of the Trinity because it says that all things came through Jesus Christ. But what the verse actually says is that all things came “from” God, “through” Jesus. That stands in contradiction to Trinitarian doctrine because it places Jesus in a subordinate role to God. According to this verse, Jesus is not “co-equal” with the Father; the Father is “God” and the ultimate source of all things, and Jesus is not called “God.”

The context is the key to understanding what the phrase “all things came through him” means. There is no mention in either the immediate or the remote context about the creation of the world such that the “all things” refers to the original creation of Genesis. This verse is speaking of the Church. God provided all things for the Church via Jesus Christ.

The whole book of 1 Corinthians is taken up with Church issues, and Paul starts 1 Cor. 8:6 with “for us,” i.e., for Christians. 1 Corinthians 8:4-5 had said that even though there were “so-called” gods, for us “there is no God but one.” The Roman world was polytheistic, and people were used to having different “gods” and different “lords” provide different things in different ways. As the various gods provided things, often those provisions would be mediated and distributed to the people through “lords,” lesser gods or people, such as the priests. That was a major reason the Romans had so many temples and shrines to the different gods and worshiped them all—to curry as much of their favor as possible. But Paul challenged that commonly accepted practice, and boldly stated that there was only one God “from whom are all things,” and only one Lord “through whom are all things.”

By wording the verse the way he does and saying there is one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus, Paul pens this verse in a way that clearly stands against the Trinity. If the Trinity really existed, then this verse would have been the perfect place to say so, and have something such as, “for us there is only one God made up of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost,” or something similar. There is no good reason that the verse would be written in a way that is so clearly non-Trinitarian, calling the Father, “God,” and Jesus, “Lord,” if the Trinity existed. Furthermore, the logical reason that this verse is worded the way it is and the reason that the Bible does not make a clear statement about the Trinity, here or anywhere else, is that there is no Trinity. There is, as this verse says, “one God” and “one Lord, Jesus Christ.”

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