Saturday, August 08, 2009

Is "Official Orthodoxy" that big? Is True Orthodoxy that small?

Subdeacon Joseph Suaiden has posted a brief but profound article on his BLOG, Reredos (Formerly the Blog Let Us Attend Apologetics), in which expands on the JTO article "I'm No Mathematician"

"An American convert and recently awakened to True Orthodoxy, Nathan Lee Lewis, has finally put some numbers to what I've long suspected-- contrary to official claims, the "official" Church in America ISN'T that big. By comparison, it's fair to say that if there are 120 True Orthodox parishes in America (the number in my directory) that we make up 8-10% of the total of the Orthodox population in America. Something to consider!"
In simple language. The true and Genuine Orthodox Churches are not small, insignificant little rebellious, uncanonical communities cowering in a dark corner of their pseudo-orthodox deception. They are 8-10 percent of the total parishes in the USA alone. The percentages are larger in countries abroad. 
"We are in the end times and the anti-Christ is in the world. We are quickly moving to a One World Government and its tool the One World Church. A new United Nations religion now accompanies the World Council of Churches in its effort to bring all global religious movements under one jurisdictional head. This Anti-Christ religion will promote great persecution to the elect. This is not a scenario for days afar off but we are in those days now.
 "As host of the U.N.'s Millennium Peace Summit of Religious and Spiritual Leaders, Jain told an international meeting of 1,000 delegates that religions need to accept the validity of all beliefs to attain world peace. The summit, the first of its kind to be sponsored by the United Nations, was held in New York City Aug. 28-31 just before political leaders gathered for the U.N. Millennium Assembly. The timing was perfect, says Jain, as it allowed religious leaders to update their political counterparts on how to usher in the peace of the new world order through religious universalism...So what is the objective here? Is it religious tolerance, unification or subversion of religious faith? Jain tells Insight that he looks forward to a day when religious people no longer insist on a single truth."
Two things will happen as this world takeover becomes more obvious. Some Orthodox people will remain in the system as it divorces Christ and becomes the bride of the Prince of this World. They will be like a Frog in Boiling Water. Others will flee this anti-Christ system and find the True and Genuine Churches which are even now preparing to receive them. There is a ground swell increasing of mission efforts by the True and Genuine Churches as local missions are springing up across the USA and the world. Many of these local missions are not initiated by a church planting committee of a specific Genuine or True diocese but by individual Orthodox faithful from all jurisdictions of World Orthodoxy who desire communion with the Bishops who have remained true to the faith of our fathers. 
The True and Genuine Churches will always be smaller than World Orthodoxy. Follow those who are being persecuted by the World Orthodox Churches and you will find the remnant of True and Genuine believers. Watch the World Orthodox Churches continue to validate, defend and promote the authenticity of other religions, even those who are non-Christian, while violently condemning, attacking, maligning the True and Genuine Orthodox groups shouting, "Non canonical! Non canonical!" It is the spirit of this world infusing himself in the adulterated bride. 
If the Hierarchs are participants of the anti-Christ movement then the local parish is also for the local parish is the Bishop and Metropolitan it commemorates. There are only two choices given in scripture and in the Canons of the Church. Depose the heretics or remove yourselves from them."

"Choose ye this day whom you will serve"


List of Genuine or True Orthodox Churches
(Thanks to Reredos BLOG)
True Orthodox Church of Greece under Abp Chrysostomos of Athens (Chrys)
True Orthodox Church of Greece under Abp Nicholas of Athens (Matt)
Autonomous True Orthodox Metropolia of Western Europe and America (West)
True Orthodox Synod under Kirykos of Mesogaia (Kirk)
Synod in Resistance under Metropolitan Cyprian of Fili (Cyp)
Holy Orthodox Church in North America (HOCNA)
Russian True Orthodox Church under Archbishop Tikhon of Omsk (RTOC)
Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church under Metropolitan Valentine of Suzdal (ROAC)
Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia under Archbishop Vladimir of San Fransisco (ROCIE)
Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia under Metropolitan Agafangel of Odessa (ROCOR-A)
*Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia under Archbishop Anthony of San Fransisco (ROCIE-A)
*True Orthodox Church of Greece under Abp Makarios of Athens (Mak)


  1. Dear brother Nathan.

    I'm sorry to hear that some people are acting in an ugly manner about your decision to join the True Orthodox.

    It's very Un-orthodox for them to do so.

    Regarding the Baptism by Triple Immersion issue, I believe the Lord reminded me this week of a similar issue from Church History.

    Baptism is the New Circumcision. As such, the events leading to the Jerusalem Council are salient.

    I believe the economy allowed to converts from other Christian traditions of accepting Baptism in the name of the Holy Trinity is in the same spirit as what the Church decided about Gentile converts.

    Gentile converts weren't required to become Jews in order to be Christians.

    I think this applies directly to this controversy.

    Sincerely in Christ,

    Columba Silouan

  2. For too many kyrelesons, you need to be deported, Way too wierd, your faith can't be imported, All the crazy breathing messed your brain, For this country, your are too insane, Craziness lingers, you can't control your brain, From Guantanamo in a wheelchair you will go, before you make more children loco. Palamite Zealotes massacred Thessalonian aristocracy in preparation for Cantacuzene usurpation which brought about hesychast hyperventilatory hallutination. Πυρκαγιά στα μοναστηργιά This soviet socialism motivated Anatolian farmers to embrace Turks in th 1400s to avoid redistributative taxation and then for liberated mainlanders to migrate to Smyrna in the 1800s. να γλιτώσουμε απ'την σκλαβιά, απ'την σλαβοκουμουνιά

  3. Lucky, Thanks for attempting to communicate. There is obviously something lost in translation here. I need to be deported and my brain is messed up? I hope this is a poor translation for suggesting Old Calender Orthodoxy is better suited outside of the USA and that I am not thinking correctly. I will choose the more positve of the two although I will still disagree.


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