"Holy Smokes" Up in Smoke

I have mentioned my participation in a predominantly Protestant group called "Holy Smokes" that meets every Wednesday morning at the local cigar shop through the kindness of the Catholic owner. I, being the only non-Protestant in the group, have had some very interesting conversations. I wondered along the way if our differences in ethos and theology might make it too contentious of a setting. I have referred to myself as the "odd man out." After months of meetings I am, after today, literally the "odd man... out." I noticed along the way that, although we talked of fellowship and brotherhood, I was never invited to go fishing or golfing with the guys and it seemed at times as if they were trying to save my soul, but surprisingly, it was not theology, discussions, or lack of inclusion that divided us. It was integrity.

I take great issue with a group of men or anyone, deciding on a matter and then not doing it. Maybe I am a man of my word to a fault. If this is the case, then I am to blame for false expectations. I believe, however, that integrity is a Christian principal that is not optional. So what brought the great divide? What caused these men to turn on me with venom and name calling? I questioned the group's (not individuals) integrity. For a group of men to decide to a start at 8 A.M. and have only two men arrive at that time week after week, the others arriving regularly from 8:30 to 9 A.M., may be considered simple lack of consideration. But to tell the owner of the cigar shop, who allows us free use of his space, electricity, water, provides us our own key, and trusts us with the security code, that we will buy a monthly box of cigars from him for group use, then to not only neglect to do so but to decide not to do so, is lack of integrity...and I told them so. To me, you don't say one thing and do another, especially while knowingly taking advantage of another brother. By the way, did I mention that the owner is Catholic...? A group called "Holy" Smokes should present itself, at the very least, as Christian men of integrity in the marketplace. Anything less is just blowing smoke.

A Letter From A Catholic Friend

Saturday, August 11, 2007

My journey towards enlightenment begins.

I have a dear friend that is a regular at my place of employment, Stogie's in Brentwood. Outside of being a fellow filmmaker, we have had several long discussions of several things going on in my life. Along with finding a true love of my life and the excitement and frenzy that goes with any new relationship, he has been a sounding board for my struggle with life and faith. So he gave me the start several months ago towards my release of the struggle of my faith. His blog, his own account of the journey towards the Eastern Orthodoxy faith has helped me focus on regaining my stride to a better relationship with both God and Myself. He even posted a blog to his disillusioned catholic brothers to come back to the true church. He has had some heated response from catholics, so I have decided to add my 2 cents in it.

I am Catholic by birth and was once a member of the Roman Catholic Church. I stress WAS because it has been sometime since I have really been an active member of the church. I still go on a non-daily basis, mostly attending service with my mom. It is mostly for her because it is good to see her smile at me at service. However, I feel large amounts of guilt being in a house of worship that I have very little belief in.

I was forced to service by my parents when I was little, and as I aged in years, I realized that faith played a huge part in my life. I went through the parochial catholic High School system to get a better chance at a good education. It was here that my faith and beliefs became tested. It seemed that every time that I even questioned my faith or the religion I was involved with, I was met with extreme resistance. Both my lay teachers and those from the Diocese almost prevented me from learning more about the faith from an outside sources.

My problems from the Catholic Faith is numerous in many ways. The roles of women in the church lends little form the fact that the faith has a woman in a prominent role, the mother of Christ, and yet my own mother has a little role in the church. My mother's role is almost subservient and that is disturbing that she cannot lead the church. Doctrine has and will be changed in the past and future. The fit doctrine to fit the needs of the church. The RCC has years and years of being deceitful and underhanded. They have killed and started wars, assassinated leaders and kings and have years and years of corruption. I won't even remark on the priest scandals because that is petty and there is more to it than the press reveals.

Most of the arguments that Catholics present to people when arguing their beliefs and faith is based on years and years of discrimination because of the religion. As the largest organized faith in the world, they are targets on a daily basis. No religion is more ridiculed nor looked at in a microscopic way than the Catholics. This constant scrutiny has led many to call to arms in defense of their faith and others to look elsewhere.

While my interests in the Orthodoxy faith has grown, I have dived into reading and research of the faith and all it encompasses. I have read several books by leaders of the faith, and will not enter this faith until I feel that my longing and eternal quest for knowledge with my relationship with God is good and strong. However, I will say that while the RCC has steered away from the one true faith several thousand years ago, the Orthodoxy faith has stayed true to the original doctrine set so many years ago.

I don't know where my journey will lead, and surely until I die in body, it will never end. I do urge that those torn about their faith and belief in the RCC, please search for the right answers. If in fact it keeps you in the RCC, then all the power to you. If you feel that there are other answers out there, then search for them and if it leads you in a different direction than where you are, embrace it, understand it, and never judge those that block your way from the most fulfilling relationship you will ever have.....the relationship with you and God!

JF

[Note from Journey To Orthodoxy: JTO realizes that this letter is not indicative of all RCC experiences. JTO also realizes that this letter is indicative of many RCC experiences. ]

"How Far Should We Go?" A Letter From A Soldier

Number Two in a series of letters from SGT Daniel Nuoffer

Mr. Lewis,

There is a sand storm out today and I have sand all over me. Its like being at a beach but no water to swim in. It is about 120 outside right now so you sweat and when you do the sand sticks to you. Don't even think of taking a shower you would look like a powdered donut. I make light of it but we are doing good.

Well an update Sir. I have seen a lot of crap in the last few months. Everything from IEDs (Road side bombs) To trucks loosing their wheels just rolling down the road. It is something else. We have been running about 3 missions a month and the missions last about 7 to 10 days or more if the roads go black for an IED or small arms attack. My crew is good. We get shot at once and a while and it keeps us on our toes. But all in all things are good.

How Far should we go?

About a month ago I was on a mission to TQ a base North of Baghdad. It takes about 5 days to get there and another 5 to get back. We started the mission from Cedar 2 and drove all night to Scaina. The mission was going well, smooth roads, not a lot of fire, just a good trip all around. We pulled into Scania about 0300 and started clearing and finding out where to get chow. I was the last truck in the convoy, so it takes a few minutes for me to get in the gate and when I do, my escort team is waiting on me. I got in the gate and started to walk up the road to the lead truck to find out what was going on next. The road had vehicles on either side and it was a tight fit for anyone who needed to get up the middle. As I was walking, a Humvee passed going the same way and about 20 yards in front of me SMASH!!! The Humvee slammed into the open door of an 915 (18 Wheeler). The driver, who had been getting out, was flung in front of his truck. I ran to him and started evaluation of a casualty. He talked to me and said that he just got the wind knocked out of him but that for some reason his arm hurt. There where two cuts all the way to the bone on his right fore arm. It had not started to bleed yet, so I still had about 10 to 15 seconds to tell if his arteries or blood vessels were going to hemorrhage. I called for my combat medic and started to treat the wound. The medic got there and helped me fix him up. As that was going on, I called for a litter and a carrier crew. We loaded him up and took off down the road to the aid station. We had gone about a mile and one of the litter crew members said, "Sgt Nuoffer how far do we have to go with this guy". The words that I said stuck in my head. They are the reason for this story. "Until we get him to help."

So many times we see our fellow Christians fighting for life, wounded and dying. We render aid as best and we know how and move on. Sometimes that person makes it to help on their own and sometimes that person does not make it to the help of Jesus Christ. They die. Ask yourself next time, "how far do I need to take this person to get help"? Suck it up and take them to Christ!! HOOOAAA!!

The soldier who was injured made it to the aid station and reserved 20 stitches to fix his arm. He was on the road 3 day later and we completed the mission to TQ. I see him once about every month and he is doing well.

I love you all and thank you for your prayers. God bless you and I will be home as soon as I can.

Sgt Nuoffer

Note: Sgt Daniel Nuoffer is on his second tour in Iraq. His duty is to command the lead gunnery vehicle that guides our troops in convoy down treacherous roads from Kuwait into Bagdad. He will be gone for 15 months. His new wife awaits his safe return as do we all. Send him your love and support. You may e-mail him at chemicalninja@yahoo.com.
(minor edits by JTO)

Have Mercy On Me A Caveman

One of the inherent problems with speaking to the ills of the church or pointing out heresies among us is the fact that I remain a sinner. "Lord Jesus Christ, Son Of God have mercy on me a sinner." The first response of those guilty of heresy or who are participants of the ills of the church is to attack the messenger. Point out the fact that the messenger is faulty and you may be able to divert the relevance of the message. Except for Christ, there is not one human messenger of Truth who is innately sinless. Prophets of old, knowing their own frailties, even ran from their mission or hid under trees, hoping God might choose another to deliver words of correction. Paul the Apostle, spoke openly of his propensity to do other than what he knew to be right. Did the fact that these men were sinners negate what God had called them to do regarding the protection of God's people and the advancement of his kingdom? Those who enjoy the process of pointing out others faults or speaking to the ills of the Church should be suspect. One should ask from what spirit they speak. It is those who long for a good cave in which to hide and yet remain in the battle who may, just may, have something worth hearing and their words just might be other worldly. It is the ones who constantly feel they have no right to say anything yet are compelled by truth to do so, who may, just may, have the Spirit within them driving them.

" And I brethren, when I came to you did not come with excellency of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I was with you in weakness, in fear and in trembling. And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God." Paul the Apostle

I will never have anything new to say. It has already been said. If I spend my whole life just learning and repeating the faith handed down to us I still will not have gained all the wisdom available. What an amazing dichotomy, that He "chooses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise." I am a Caveman. All in all, I'd rather just help with the church bake sale.

Do You Matter?

"To the world you might be one person,
 but to one person you might be the world."
- Unknown

The Thing That Got Jesus Mad or "Separation of Church and Store"

"Boy, was he ticked!" "He blew a gasket." "He flew off the handle." "He lost it." If these were said about anyone of us, it would infer that we were out of control and that our anger got the best of us. But when Jesus the Christ, the perfect Son of God, manifested anger and rage he did so in righteous indignation. He was measured, calculated and deliberate and expressed such with a whip. What was the only thing recorded in the scriptures that caused this response from the Lamb of God? What brought about the manifestation of the Lion of the Tribe of Judah?

"Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” Then His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.” (John 2: 13-17)

"Doing business" in the temple...hmm. I remember one day standing in the "sanctuary" of the Protestant Church I attended at the time. It was after the service. I had discerned a spiritual need in the life of a young man and was sharing the faith with him. He was not a believer but was an obvious seeker as evidenced by the fact that he was present at the worship hour. My words were piercing his soul and his heart was becoming tuned to the presence of God. It was one of those moments of spiritual destiny where you know God has allowed heaven to touch earth and our souls respond beyond our human reason, and then, a member of the church walked up to us, diverted our conversation, and began talking to me about his insurance company. "You would make a very good insurance salesman, Nathan. Let me invite you to a meeting we are having this week...blah...blah..blah..." I look on him with amazement and looked upon the young seeker man with desperation as he walked away. This church member had proselytized me, not for the things of the faith but for the advancement of his business. He was "doing business" in the Temple at the expense of a man's soul.

Recently, I received a letter in the mail addressed to "My Fellow Church Members". One of our Orthodox brothers had decided to "do business" in the Temple by obtaining the addresses of all Church members and sending a solicitation letter to our homes. He reached into the sanctity of the Temple and made it his "house of merchandise". He just wanted us to know that he was with a new company and to tell us how he could be reached. I presumed his purpose was so that he could make money off of us by selling us his particular product.

2000 years have not changed the fact that the same people with whom you work in the marketplace will also worship in the same Temple. The key word here is "worship". We worship with our brothers in the temple and may do business with them in the marketplace. There is no ambiguity as to how Christ feels about the blurring of such lines. He pulls out the whip and responds as the Lion and not just the Lamb. Surely the Scripture and Church Tradition clearly validate the "separation of church and store".

"My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of thieves."

I do not ask forgiveness for addressing in a public way what was and is perpetrated in a public way, and I don't ask for forgiveness for feeling the same ire and anger that Jesus did, for "Zeal for [His] house has eaten me up." Moral of the story:

Keep your business out of the Temple.

It is the Orthodox thing to do.

Anything else is "whippable."

Quit repeating "Judge Not!" We Are Suppose To "Judge"!

"Judge not lest you be judged..."

The popular Western Interpretation of this scripture includes:

"Live and let live."

"If it feels good, do it."

and...

"If a man calls himself a man of God, prophet, healer, and has a great following, don't say anything bad about him."

 Rather than proof-text the appropriate scripture references, let me just trust your desire to do a concordance search on the word "JUDGE". You will find that there are numerous usages and the definitions are numerous as well. You will find that there is a certain biblical criteria that requires us to judge. The Judgment that is prohibited and the most quoted is that found in the book of Matthew. This is a personal judgment akin to private murmuring with the intent to disclaim a fellow Christian. In this sense the warning is clear that to judge another has direct repercussions. Others will judge you as well, because we are all sinners.

You will also discover, however, that we are commanded to judge according to the truth. That judgment includes those who would say they are Christians and yet do not hold to the basic tenants of the faith as preserved by the Church. In this instance, judgment isn't an attitude but, rather, an understanding or, in some cases, a public proclamation that the subject of the judgment is a heretic. For this purpose were the Councils of the Church called and for this purpose did God place those with prophetic mantles in the body of Christ. Without this type of Judgment, we would have fewer Martyrs. The misconstruing of these two types of judgments causes some to take great offense when another points out modern day heretics. "Don't judge", they say. "Do judge", the scripture says.

 Case in point is Benny Hinn. I made the comment to a Charismatic Protestant friend the other day that Benny Hinn is a heretic. He took great exception and gave me a quick lesson on not judging and accepting everyone as a brother. Both points of his lesson were contrary to the scriptures and the Tradition of the Church. Using the strong word, heretic, in its accurate meaning, suggests that Benny Hinn does not hold to at least one basic tenant of Christianity. I do judge him as should my Protestant friend. Judge by his own words. Here is Benny Hinn on the nature of God and the structure of the Trinity: 

"God the Father, ladies and gentleman, is a person and He is a triune being by Himself, separate from the Son and the Holy Ghost. See, God the Father is a person, God the Son is a person, God the Holy Ghost is a person; but each one of them is a triune being by himself. If I can shock you and maybe I should, there's nine of them!" (Oct. 13, 1990 Orlando Christian Center Broadcast)

ALL seven of the ecumenical Councils of the Church were called to fight some heresy having to do with the nature of Christ. It was settled long ago. Father, Son, Holy Spirit are "Three in One". Benny Hinn blatantly claims that he is presenting a doctrine that no one has heard before. That is because it has never been "believed at all times, in all places, by all the Church." Sorry friends, we can talk all day about whether or not tongues still exist, or the state of Christian TV, etc, but mess with the nature of Christ and the Trinity and you have left the faith. By his own words, Benny Hinn is a heretic. By the way, his blood brothers in similar heresy are numerous but include the likes of Crefflo Dollar and Paul Crouch.

"Jesus did not come as God. He came as man, and He did not come perfect." (Crefflo Dollar Dec. 8. 2000)

"God draws no distinction between Himself and us. God opens up the Godhead and brings us into it." (Paul Crouch TBN 11/91)

You had better judge lest you too are counted with the Heretics.

It's the Ethos

Ethos: "The fundamental character or spirit of a culture; the underlying sentiment that informs the beliefs, customs, or practices of a group or society; dominant assumptions of a people or period."

I am part of a men's bible and prayer group in my community. Because my own local Orthodox Church is slow and void to provide such an outlet in our community, I have the opportunity to establish friendships, go on outings, share prayer requests, read exhortation passages from the Bible, smoke a lot of cigars, and generally be "men" with a group of Protestants. (Some of my Church of Christ friends might take exception with my calling them Protestants, but for lack of a better word, they are non-Orthodox.)

My Protestant friends have begun to rib me, with good nature, about my being Orthodox. I deem that their ribbing comes from a place of uncertainty about what I believe. I am the odd man out, being the only non-protestant. I have made a concerted effort not to mention Orthodoxy or to discuss the wide Protestant/Catholic divide. Since the group does not endeavor as a "bible study group", we have not ventured into doctrines of the faith. I do have one up on the group being that I was Protestant for the first 49 years of my life.

I have become aware lately, however, of a wall of communication on the most basic level even when discussing the most elementary of scriptures. It is an excepted Protestant practice that each man gets to interpret the meaning of the scriptures based on his own understanding. The phrase "I believe" is common, or "for me I think it says..." It is a given in this Protestant ethos that there will be differences of interpretation from denomination to denomination. Each man seems to pride themselves in their ability to "get along" and accept one another's views, or at least their right to have a view. The wall I hit was in a discussion concerning the fact that one can find doctrinal conflict between individuals in the same church. As an Orthodox Christian I sit quietly amazed that such is the case. I am also amazed that such common place conflict doesn't bring more awareness that there is something inherently wrong with this ethos. How do I enter in to such a conversation? How do I tell them that their's is an ethos brought on by individualism and division and is only about 400+ years old? How do I tell them that the Orthodox Church has no such dil

emma, that the truth was established 2000 years ago and thus there is no debate on doctrinal issues? How do I tell them that the same unified church who canonized the very scriptures over which they are puzzling, also preserved what they mean...once and for all? How do I tell them that the ethos of the original Christian church is one of doctrinal unity, community, and preservation of the teachings of the Apostles? How do I say any of this without commenting on the blight that is the idea of Sola Scriptura? How can anyone come to the fullness of the truth without first knowing where the pillar of truth is found?

"These things I write to you, though I hope to come to you shortly; but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is

the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."

1 Timothy 3:14-15

We have seen the true light.

We have received the heavenly Spirit;

we have found the true faith,

in worshiping the undivided Trinity;

for He hath saved us.

Preserve, oh God, the Holy Orthodox Faith

and all Orthodox Christians

unto ages of ages amen.

Mike Huckabee-Candidate for President

I commend to you my former Governor, employer, and friend, Mike Huckabee. I can attest to his character, conservatism, compassion, morality, honesty, intense intelligence, wisdom, amazing communication skills, and ability to cross party lines while keeping his principles intact. Mr. Huckabee is what you see. There is no hidden personality, mask, or persona. He was a Republican Governor in a Democratic state and won election and reelection by wide margins. He speaks from the heart and not from the script. He is a balance of grit and diplomacy in this time of peril and division. Mike Huckabee's faith in God is genuine and consistent. His is a personal faith not a political convenience. Journey to Orthodoxy commends this Baptist brother from Hope, Arkansas. He is the real deal in a time when such is needed in our country. Now if only he was Orthodox...(Just kidding Governor... But, if you need this good Southern Baptist boy, turned Orthodox, for anything, just call!)

MIKE HUCKABEE'S STATEMENT OF BELIEF IN GOD

(Republican Debate)

MR BLITZER: Governor Huckabee, at a previous debate, you and two of your colleagues indicated that you do not believe in evolution. You’re an ordained minister. What do you believe? Is it the story of creation as it is reported in the Bible or described in the Bible?

MR. HUCKABEE: It’s interesting that that question would even be asked of somebody running for president. I’m not planning on writing the curriculum for an eighth-grade science book. I’m asking for the opportunity to be president of the United States.

But you’ve raised the question, so let me answer it. “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth.” To me it’s pretty simple, a person either believes that God created this process or believes that it was an accident and that it just happened all on its own.

And the basic question was an unfair question because it simply asks us in a simplistic manner whether or not we believed — in my view — whether there’s a God or not. Well let me be very clear: I believe there is a God. I believe there is a God who was active in the creation process. Now, how did he do it, and when did he do it, and how long did he take? I don’t honestly know, and I don’t think knowing that would make me a better or a worse president.

But I’ll tell you what I can tell the country. If they want a president who doesn’t believe in God, there’s probably plenty of choices. But if I’m selected as president of this country, they’ll have one who believes in those words that God did create. And as the words of Martin Luther, “Here I stand. I can do no other.” And I will not take that back.

MR. BLITZER: Governor, but — but — (applause) — I think the specific question — the specific question is do you believe literally it was done in six days and it occurred 6,000 years ago?

MR. HUCKABEE: No, I did answer that, Wolf. I said I don’t know. My point is, I don’t know; I wasn’t there. (Laughter.) But I believe whether God did it in six days or whether he did it in six days that represented periods of time, he did it, and that’s what’s important.

www.mikehuckabee.com

Where’s your “gold ring?”

By Cynthia Louise Lewis

A few months back, I overheard one of the men from my church make the following comment: “It’s pretty distracting to help the priest during Eucharist when a woman’s breasts are staring at me.”

I must admit, I had already had some thoughts in that regard because, as I was trying to update my own “look”. I had observed a few outfits on some of the women which disturbed me as well. These thoughts, together with my own daughters’ frustration about how to dress fashionably and yet modestly prompted me to do some study on the issue. I found some help in St. Cyprian’s Treatise II: On the Dress of Virgins. (For the purposes of this article, we can think of the word “virgin” as being any individual who makes a claim to godliness.)

It’s really not about fashion at all.

One of the drawbacks of any type of commentary on clothing is how closely those comments are linked to the fashion of the day, but I appreciated how the bulk of St. Cyprian’s teaching approaches the issue in terms of the intention that goes behind our selection of clothing and to individual’s entire demeanor.

“But continence and modesty consist not alone in purity of the flesh, but also in seemliness, as well as in modesty of dress and adornment . . .”

Her modesty

mod‧est

1. having or showing a moderate or humble estimate of one's merits, importance, etc.; free from vanity, egotism, boastfulness, or great pretensions.

2. free from ostentation or showy extravagance.

3. having or showing regard for the decencies of behavior, speech, dress, etc.;

• Her seemliness

seem‧ly

1. fitting or becoming with respect to propriety or good taste; decent; decorous:

• Her clothing.

Fashion is not a separate entity, but is the extension of the individual’s personal taste. This taste, this individuality, must still come under the purifying blood of our Lord and be part of the regenerative process every bit as much as any other part of our lives.

“Let us glorify and bear God in a pure and chaste body, and with a more complete obedience; and since we have been redeemed by the blood of Christ, let us obey and give furtherance to the empire of our Redeemer by all the obedience of service, that nothing impure or profane may be brought into the temple of God, lest He should be offended, and forsake the temple which He inhabits.”

The body is God’s temple, and we are the priest of that body-temple! In a very real sense, we are as answerable to God in how we conduct ourselves in our body, as the priest is in how he conducts himself during the Liturgy!

Just as the body is expected to be pure, the manner in which the body is displayed is expected to be pure. I think St. Cyprian sums up the matter in his statement:

“No one seeing a virgin should be in any doubt as to whether she is one...”

What are we trying to represent in our clothing? Are we trying to prove we can compete with the objectionable? With the vulgar? Are we so naïve that we don’t realize how the sight of a half-exposed breast affects the men around us? Surely in this “enlightened” day, we have read enough magazine articles, and heard enough talk radio, and seen enough Oprah, to know that men are sexually aroused by what they see – regardless of on whom they see it. Surely we know that our godly brothers have to be constantly vigilant of what comes before their eyes. Or do we know precisely what affect it has? Is there some deep part of us that is trying to find fulfillment in that affect rather than in Christ?

"If you dress your hair sumptuously, and walk so as to draw attention in public, and attract the eyes of youth upon you, and draw the sighs of young men after you, nourish the lust of concupiscence, and inflame the fuel of sighs, so that, although you yourself perish not, yet you cause others to perish, and offer yourself, as it were, a sword or poison to the spectators; you cannot be excused on the pretence that you are chaste and modest in mind. Your shameful dress and immodest ornament accuse you; nor can you be counted now among Christ's maidens and virgins, since yon live in such a manner as to make yourselves objects of desire."

Here, again, is the central issue – the focus of our heart as it manifests itself in our actions. Is it our goal to be an object of desire to the men we meet, or is it our desire to have a positive affect for the Kingdom of God on all we meet? A quicker question to ask ourselves is: Do I want them for me or for Him?

Tater Sacks All Around

So, what is the course of action? Should we all don potato sacks, hide our figures, and never style our hair? Not at all. Again, the point is to be sensitive to the brothers around us, and attentive to the Holy Spirit as He makes use of every opportunity to build the Kingdom in us.

How? I honestly don’t have an answer. What I do have is a practical guideline that I came up with for myself and my daughters. I printed it, laminated it, and gave each one of us a copy to keep in our purses to use as a reference point while shopping. I’ve included it here while realizing it may be painfully elementary. But the bottom line is to continue to listen to the Lord. To continue to be open to His prompting as He leads us into more and more godliness, and as often as it is reflected by what we wear, to be obedient to respond.

Simple guidelines for clothing selection:

• No part of the breast or midriff should be exposed.

• Cleavage should not be obvious.

• Undergarments should be sturdy enough that the shape of the nipples is not seen.

• Pants should be loose enough that they

do not cup the buttocks.

• Pants should be loose enough, and shorts long enough, that the space between the legs is not obvious.

• Dresses & skirts should be long enough to move both normally and modestly.

"Like a gold ring in a pig’s snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion."

-- Proverbs 11:22

Where's your gold ring?

NOTE:
Cynthia is the mother of five daughters and the wife of JTO author, Nathan Lee Lewis.