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A Gift For Indoctrinated Individuals

Vaughn Gerda Randall

To the indoctrinated individuals incapable of independent thought, you have been blinded by bias and there’s no proof for reality that you can see. For those of you who are intellectually honest and willing to question your beliefs I give you these ten points to consider.

1. The natural physics of a large body of water are to be level and need a container. This alone debunks the lie that the earth is a globe. Engineers and cartographers proved that large bodies of waters do not and can not display convexity on their surfaces with seven experiments with extremely precise measurements in the documentary Convex Earth.

2. An airplane flies straight and level for thousands of miles at hundreds of miles per hour and never adjusts its nose downward to maintain a certain altitude to account for earths alleged curvature or alleged rotation. Commercial and military pilots have proven the earth is flat and stationary by their real world applications in the documentary Flatten The Curve by Vikka Draziv.

3. There are literally thousands of examples of seeing things above the horizon at far distances that would be impossible to see if the earth were a sphere with a 3,959 mile radius. The Taboo Conspiracy Channel has dozens of experiments with measurements proving this. The creator of that channel has a juris doctorate and two master degrees. Accusations that flat earthers are stupid is ignorant and arrogant.

4. There is not one real photo of the entire earth and all images showing the earth as a globe are cgi composites. NASA never went to the moon and there is no space station. The Iss is at best a high altitude aircraft 10-15 miles away. NASA is referred to by some in the CIA as Not A Space Agency. They lie about almost everything.

5. Satellites don’t exist except on balloons. You think China would need a spy satellite on a balloon if satellites in space existed? If satellites were real we would see them transit between us and the moon almost every night. We never do.

6. Eclipses run on a 19 year cycle and were predicted accurately thousands of years ago by ancient cultures who knew the earth is flat and stationary. The sun and moon are about the same size and altitude. The earth is far larger than both of them. The earth is not a planet, it is not in space. It is not casting a shadow on the moon. A selenelion eclipse is when both sun and moon can still be seen above the horizon proving it is not earths shadow on the moon.

7. A civilization before us built amazing structures everywhere across the surface of earth and many of them align perfectly with the sun and moon during the solstices and equinoxes. And they still align perfectly today. These huge structures were built with perfect symmetry, sacred geometry and cymatic patterns by people who knew the earth is flat and stationary. They didn’t believe the earth is flat, they knew it was, as do flat earthers today.

8. The entire heliocentric hypothesis is based on the unproven theories of dark matter and dark energy. These two unproven theories make up 96% of the model which is why Neil degrasse Tyson says he and mainstream scientists are 96% stupid about the universe. The globe is not a working model it has the 3 body problem which is unsolvable.

9. The Coriolis force is a farce. It is a lie. If it were true a helicopter could hover for 12 hours and land on the other side of the magic space ball earth. A sniper doesn’t account for earths alleged rotation for a bullet which is in the air for a few seconds and a professional golfer doesn’t account for earths alleged rotation for a golf ball which is in the air for much longer than a bullet. The Foucault pendulum has to be pushed to start and often stops and has to be restarted. If Coriolis were true then all pendulums would move but all across the earth they hang motionless in perfect stillness.

10. The earth is an enclosed electric topographical stationary plane. All true science confirms it. The globe is a delusion based on assumptions with massive contradictions inconsistencies and impossibilities. All alleged science for the globe is actually pseudoscience which is nothing more than claims without evidence. The earth being flat and stationary is not a claim, it is an observation which has been measured and can be repeated by almost anyone. The globe is a claim without evidence. If the earth is a globe you would be able to prove it with observable measurable repeatable results. It has never been done because it can’t be done. Welcome to flat earth.

Sincerely,

Keith Cameron Smith

PS For more information, search for these channels directly on YouTube.... nothing but misinformation will come up with generic searches anymore... then you have to click on videos after you’re on their channel to see all they have. YouTube only shows a few on their main page.

Taboo Conspiracy.

Flat Earth Sun Moon Zodiac

Vikka Draziv

Globebusters

ODDtv

Hibeller Productions.

Eric Dubay

Flat Out Truth

Flat Earth Banjo USA Japan

Founded Earth Brothers

DITRH

Refuting The Nefarious NASA

 

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UFO And Aliens Are A Joke, Right?

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Editing Scriptures, The Trinitarian Way

Let me give that a try...

"Jesus said to her. "Do not touch me for I have not yet gone up to the Father myself. But go to my brothers human creatures and say to them, 'I am going up to my father myself and your father, and my God myself and your God.' " 

That's fun. Let's try another one...

"So pray this way: 'Our Father Me who is in heaven standing right here, may your my name be treated as holy. May your my kingdom come. May your my will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give I'm going to give us this day our daily bread, and forgive I'm going to forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors. And do not bring I won't bring us into temptation but deliver I will deliver us from the wicked one.' "

...because, you see, Jesus is God, right? "God the father. God the son. God the Holy Spirit?"

Well, he was human while on earth, you say? Then why has he not melded back into the Father Spirit since he is now back in heaven? Why is THE MAN Christ Jesus now at the "RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER"?

You have strange bedfellows if you adhere to the Trinity doctrine:

"Many who believe in the Trinity are surprised, perhaps shocked, to learn that the idea of divine beings existing as trinities or triads long predated Christianity. Yet, as we will see, the evidence is abundantly documented."

How Ancient Trinitarian Gods Influenced Adoption of the Trinity | United Church of God (ucg.org)

 

Why I Am A Monotarian

By J. Dan Gill

I might be a Trinitarian, if it was not for God. It is him with whom I am at odds if I embrace multiple persons as one Deity. Again and again, I can hear him saying, “I am the Lord, and there is no one else” (Isa. 45:6). If I will not believe him, then why do I call him God? Either he is God alone or he is not God at all. We must never compromise the biblical definition of God. But have we already done so in the form of multi-person monotheism? Without the understanding that only he is God, it is impossible to know him as he really is.

The beliefs of Christian Monotarians stand in contrast to multi-person theologies. Christian Monotarians are strict monotheists. They hold to the original — biblical — monotheism of God’s prophets and people of old. They believe that the Father of Israel — the Father of Jesus Christ — is the only one in the universe who is truly God (Isa. 64:4, 8; John 17:3); [20] that God’s spirit is not another person of Deity but rather the Father himself at work in his presence and power (Matt. 10:20). They believe in Jesus as the LORD’s Christ: his Messiah — the one whom God has made Lord of all (Acts 2:36; Ps. 2:2 cf. Acts 4:26); that he is God’s only begotten human son; that he came into existence by a miracle in a young virgin by the name of Mary (Luke 1:35); that Jesus is our redeemer, our savior — but not our God (Acts 5:31; 13:23); that to truly follow Christ, we must serve his God ( John 20:17).

As a Christian Monotarian I rejoice in the working of God by his spirit. I have found peace with God through his Messiah — his Christ (Rom. 5:1). He is the LORD’s anointed (Ps. 2:2); his chosen king (Luke 1:32, 33); his miraculously begotten human son (Luke 1:35). Jesus, by relying on God, did not sin — yet he has borne our sins (Heb. 9:14). He trusted in God to the point of death; God raised him from the dead and seated him at his own right hand in heaven (Eph. 1:20). Nevertheless, the Messiah is not my God. Without reservation, my God is the LORD alone! It is YHWH whose spirit it is! It is YHWH without whom there would be no Messiah! I trust in God — I trust in his Christ. Who shall condemn me?[21]

I embrace the LORD alone as God of the universe. I believe in an uncomplicated singularity of God. I will accept no other gods and no other persons within Deity. I do not serve other personalities or supposed manifestations of God. I unreservedly hold to the original monotheism that God himself gave to his people in the Bible. His first priority is my first priority: “He alone is God.” His prime directive is the basis upon which I live my life: “I will serve only him as God.” It is critically important to God that we know who he is. Because I love him, it is also critically important to me. So they may know that you alone, whose name is the LORD, are the Most High over all the earth (Ps. 83:18).

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[19] I adopt the phrase Christian Monotarian here as it seems helpful to expressing my faith in God as a single individual and in Jesus as the Messiah, the Christ of God — but not himself God. The term “Monotarian” can be drawn from the Scriptures and particularly Jesus’ declaration in John 17:3 that the Father is τον μονον αληθινον θεον. The first person I have known to use the term Christian Monotarian is my friend Pastor Mark A. Jones of Tennessee, http://hgcn.org/ our-pastors.html. Sean P. Finnegan of New York has used the term “Christian Monotheist” with the same intent, http://www.christianmonotheism.com.

[20] This of course is not to disallow the use of the word “God” as an honorary title or appellation for certain people — Ps. 82:6, etc. See chapter 9 of this book for an exposition of the word when used in its honorific sense.

[21] Christian Monotarians are biblically centered and embrace the Bible as the word of God. They believe in miracles, the virgin birth of Christ (Luke 1:34, 35), and that the man Christ Jesus was — by a miracle in Mary — literally God’s only begotten human son (Matt. 1:20). Christian Monotarians believe that it was by depending on his Father that Jesus lived a sinless life (Heb. 4:15); did great miracles (Acts 2:22; 10:38); spoke the word of God ( John 12:49, 50) and ultimately gave his life as a perfect sacrifice to God for the rest of us human beings (Heb 9:14; Rom. 5:6–10). They believe that Jesus was buried and then bodily resurrected by God (Rom. 10:9), was/ is glorified at the right hand of God (Acts 5:31); that he will come again (1 Thess. 1:10) and raise from the dead those who trust in him ( John 5:25–30; 1 Cor. 15:20–23).

In all of this, Christian Monotarians hold that Jesus, by the plan and work of God, was truly one of us: That he was the second Adam (Rom. 5:14). Just as God created Adam and made him a human being, likewise, God created his son Jesus in Mary as a true human being. Christian Monotarians believe that to bring salvation to the rest of humanity, Jesus himself had to be really one of us (Rom. 5:17–19): Not God, not a “God-man” — not an angel or “angel-man” — or any other kind of being. They believe that Jesus did not literally preexist his own conception in Mary and that language in the New Testament about his “preexisting” was intended to be understood as “types” (tupos) of the man Christ Jesus. Metaphorically, he was “bread” ( John 6:35) a “rock” (1 Cor. 10:4) etc. They believe that our hope in Christ and of our resurrection is that he, as God’s begotten human son, is genuinely one of us (Acts 17:31).

The term “biblical unitarian” typically refers to the same view of God as being only one individual. However, unitarians do not always embrace the same faith as Christian Monotarians regarding Jesus. As is the case at times among others who assert faith in Christ, some unitarians lean to rationalism at the expense of biblical faith and do not hold to his virgin birth, etc. Additionally, the term “unitarian” is often misunderstood by the public. Use of the term frequently leads to confusing “biblical unitarians” with “Unitarian Universalists” (“Universalism” or just “Unity”), which is an entirely different religion that is neither biblical nor Christian.